Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating

Here's just one more suggestion. When you go to the top of a paragraph with control up arrow, hit the control key to shut jaws up and then press the home key to get back on the first word of the paragraph or line. If your fingers are quick enough I think this will net you the result you are looking for. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Gary,

I understand your explanation fine, don't worry. But if I gave you the
impression that I didn't know where the cursor was, that was just a careless mistake. You see, if you're using Jaws, as I am, it doesn't matter where the cursor is, I mean the "real" Word cursor. If I could see the screen clearly,
I could just ignore that Jaws was proceeding to read the paragraph. But
since I can't, it's disruptive because I have to stop jaws and then begin
editing as I meant to in the first place. In other words, my concern isn't
where the cursor is, but that jaws starts reading the way it does. I would
be a whole lot happier with an alternative like, let's see, you control up
arrow to the beginning of the previous graph, hear the first word of it
spoken, and if you really want to sit back and let Jaws read the paragraph
to you, press the Say All command. That's all I am saying. I don't need the
"convenience" of Jaws doing me any favors in a situation like this.

Well, don't worry. I'm reconciled to it, and at least Ted reminded me that I
can always use the pass through command to have things behave as I would
rather they did, with minimal inconvenience to me. But if I had any leverage with the Jaws design team, you bet I'd ask why they thought it was a helpful
idea to have it work this way. I find it nerve-wracking and inconvenient.
Maybe somebody enjoys it. I don't know.

Thank you.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Daniel,

I think you are still confused about what happens when you press
Control+Up_Arrow or Control+Down_arrow. The cursor moves to the first word
in the previous or next paragraph and stays there, while JFW speaks the
paragraph. The cursor does not continue to move while JFW is speaking as it does when issuing the Say-All command. This has always been how JFW treats paragraphs. In addition, I don't see why lunging for the Control key should be necessary since your finger should already be on that key after pressing
either key combination to move to the previous or next paragraph.

Gary King
w4wkz@xxxxxxxx

----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Ted,

Thanks for reminding me of this option. I may use it now and then. I guess it's a tossup between lunging for the Control key to shut Jaws up and stop
it moving, and using the pass-through key. But when I'm working on
something
and trying to maintain my concentration, Jaws running away with my cursor
and jabbering can be so stressful that it's worth trying anything.

So, thanks. I know the pass-through key idea may sound obvious, but I
hadn't
thought of it at all.

Daniel

(who is obviously no rocket surgeon)
curosr ro the ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)"
<Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


There's a simple workaround.  When you want to go to the top of a
paragraph, or move to the next paragraph without hearing anything, use
the pass-through key first.  That way JFW will treat the next command as
a pure Windows command.  I tried this approach before posting, and it
seems to work.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:07 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Hi Chris,

I'm sorry, but this distinction is not a problem. Maybe you
misunderstood
what I was saying. When I referred to "say all," what I was trying to
describe was just any situation in which Jaws starts reading
automatically.
You see? My point wasn't whether that command made Jaws try to read all
the
way to the end of a document, or just to the end of a paragraph. My
point
was that I wished Jaws wouldn't start speaking at all when I went to the

start of a paragraph just to get to the start of a paragraph and do
something there. See?

thank you very much.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jenkins" <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Hello.

The keystroke that you are speaking of is not the say all command.  This
keystroke places you at the top of the paragraph and only reads to the
bottom of the paragraph.  It does not read to the bottom of the
document.

I hope this helps.

Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:20 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating

Jerry,

You're describing this key stroke as if it's Jaws proprietary, but I
feel as
if I remember it in my pre-Jaws days as simply being the Word keyboard
command for going to the beginning of the paragraph and staying there.

Now, these other commands you mention, are they the one-key navigational
commands that were added to Jaws for Word a version or so ago, meant to
work
sort of like the one-key navigational commands on a Web page? I've never
tried any of those in Word, though if I read you correctly, it'd be the
same
thing. My cursor would go to that point, but Jaws would just start
reading
again like some sort of unstoppable robot.

Well, let me try these letter P keystrokes...
Okay. I used the Insert V menu to turn on the navigational keystrokes. I
see. By "redundant," you mean equivalent in this case, as I thought. As
you
know, that has the very same effect. So I guess there's nothing for it
but
to do as I've been doing all along, as Judith reminds us. Use the
keystroke
to get where you want to, but hit Control as quickly as you can to stop
jaws
from taking off on its own. Sort of like a video game, except that,for
us,
you're talking about hand-ear coordination instead of hand-eye
coordination.

Ah, my days of pinball championships at the bars and the amusement park
arcades. Well, that's milk under the bridge or whatever. Brain science,
rocket surgery.

Darn. Oh, well, at least I asked.
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


That keystroke is move by paragraph and after  you do it, it reads the
paragraph. The redundancy for this is P or shift P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating


Hi,

I'm using Jaws 8, but this has been happening to me for long enough so
that
I forget when it started. Now, I'm a great fan of Say All, and use it
often
in order to sit back and listen to long sections of a text document or
an
online news article. but when I'm writing and editing in a Word
document,
the control home key command, which is just the old Word keystroke for
going
to the beginning of the previous paragraph or the paragraph you're in,
Jaws
seems to take it as a Say All command instructing it to begin speaking
from
the top of the paragraph instead of going by sentence, which is how I've
got
Say All set in Configuration Manager. But jaws shouldn't be doing
anything
like this. It should just allow me to focus on the first word of the
paragraph, which is all the Word key combination is supposed to achieve.

And so if I want to begin reviewing or editing at that point, I have to
do
something like immediately press something relevant to the situation
like
control right arrow to start moving one word at a time from the start of
the
paragraph in order to keep this from happening. And if I'm not quick
enough,
Jaws just rushes ahead past where I wanted to be located, and I have to
stop
the headlong rush of the cursor and the speaking by hitting the Control
key
or whatever, then try again to get to the top of the paragraph without
Jaws
rushing ahead reading again.

I looked in the Text Processing menu in Configuration Manager and in the
Say
All menu, too, but could find nothing that seemed relevant to this
issue. Am
I missing something? I hate having to do this crazy little wrestling
match
with Jaws.

thanks.

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