Hi Cat Lady and all, Some things that can help you with your exploration and whether or not to post a question to the list based on your question(s) below: Each one of those html options has a little help associated with it which you can access viajaws key+f1. You can review the message that comes up, put it in a file if you like and exit it via escape. I learned a lot this way and by reading manuals and asking a lot of questions because like you, I have no money for expensive training and have not had good luck when I have had training because I learn by doing. Your questions about using jaws with windows media player are exactly what we are here for. The problem can be that if someone asks: "How can I get jaws to work with windows media player so that I can change tracks, burn cds, rip tracks etcettera" and someone comes along and says that real player is a better program for ripping and burning, the thread becomes off topic. If you have a problem with windows and don't know where to go, you can write to: poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx and He'll try to help. I know him well. You can also go to google and type your question in quotes and you might get lucky and not have to wade througha bunch of technical stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: <catlady12@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [JFW] jaws with that attitude of yours: I think a lot of this stuff in the new versions of jfw are just plain unclear to us "users"! You people who are more technically inclined will definitely understand what each section of the new HTML type stuff does and what you get or don't when turning it on or off with those check boxes, but us ordinary people, who just want to go, for example to the amazon book store site, or a game to play, do not know what effect each element has till we've played with it, and if we've turned off a bunch, we don't know which ones we need to turn back on to make jaws read like it use to in version xxx! This is my personal difficulty, and I am assuming it is others as well. I am not familiar enough with windows jaws, and didn't even use DOS long enough to actually know command line interface either! I had my computer set up by a company who created macros for me so that when I booted up in dos, all I had to do was type an F an my spread sheet for vending report opened. They also set up my games that way! I always had to ask someone how to copy a file cause I never could remember which came first the to or from, and it was four years after getting the computer that I even found out I could get e-mail! I even had trouble with that! I liked windows when someone explained that it was all Macros, but the dozen ways to do the same thing is as confusing as was DOS to me! I am slowly learning, but I don't have a lot of money to take expensive courses, so I depend on lists like this to help me to understand the problems. Many times, I can't figure out if I have a Jaws problem, a windows problem, or a combination! Many times the moderator will point out that certain topics have nothing to do with jaws, but is this really true? If I cannot figure out how to navigate in windows Media player with Jaws, is it me or jaws or windows that's stupid? I feel frustrated right now with a problem that I know is windows, not jaws related but I don't know how to fix it or what list I can ask the questions I need answered on! It's truly difficult to separate it all sometimes! catlady12@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx