P.S. If hardly anyone wears pleated walking shorts anymore, I would've been satisfied to buy one of the plain front type. Though there seemed to be two or three different displays of them! I had no idea what the differences between all those might've been. Nobody said nothin'. but anyway, I would have gone with the flow, as the saying went, just to avoid having to try *again* to find them. That isn't much fun for me, having to arrange with a friend to go through all that every time I just want to go to the store and pick up some ordinary thing, but don't want to spend half the day on the bus and then be dependent on young clerks who either don't know their stock or can't communicate clearly, or both. So what I mean is I would have bought what was there just to have enough shorts for the summer, if I'd known it would be hard to find the other style. No big deal, more or less. it's the shopping that's the hassle, and you're the easiest of all my friends to go shopping for many things with because we communicate so easily and, well, the whole thing. your mom isn't really available to be one of those shopping friends anymore since Igor (you know how it goes with him, I guess) plus all those grueling hours at the externship at that hospital. And Tanya (of Arik and T.) has the kid, the job, the husband, the in-laws, and so forth. And my guy friends, Russian or American, simply aren't much help shopping for clothes, Like no help. Actually, Jim doesn't even live here, so that's out, and Paul, well, when he's here, he helps me with other stuff.Same way young Ilya from Samara helps me and spends a good bit of time and energy with my computer problems, and going through the mail as we used to do. So I don't try to drag him shopping, either, but again, it's more effort with him if I do. than it is with you, I mean. it's all so complicated, just planning how to get a couple of pairs of shorts, or so many perfectly ordinary things. So that's where I was coming from. If only the clerk had been more expressive, like an older, better educated employee or manager often is, and just say "You know, hardly anyone wears pleated shorts say no more, although they still make long pants with pleats. That's why we don't have any pleated shorts. You'll probably have a hard time finding them anywhere these days. Are you sure you have to have pleats?" And I would have said, "Oh, shit. Too bad. No, okay, I'll try on a couple of these and if they fit, that'll be fine." See? That happens when you go to some stores, but not ones with really young clerks and you're older so they won't even say anything to you because you're older, and all that. anyway, that's what happened. Just bitching (sorry if that's not P.C.; how about "kvetching," in Yiddish,maybe?). Venting. Just spent half the day with Ilya Roytburd getting office supplies, a new mop and bucket, and a new nylon duffel bag for my laundry,the old one having a huge rip in it through which clothes start falling out. But it's so much time and effort, plus you have to recruit a willing friend... ack. It's hard not to wish I could still just jump into my Tercel (or something newer, of course), go run these errands, choose things for myself, and come back home just like that (snaps fingers). Anyway, I understand about you working and everything, and I sympathize.So whenever you have time to write or, by this time for sure, call and talk, do. Whenever that may be, I'll be really happy to hear from you. Still want to know what "goty" dykes would be, for God's sake. What the hell does that mean? And how do you say it? Hey, don't get pissed off. At least I'm giving you a hard time about the "goty" part, not the "dyke" part, ponyatno? <laughing> Love, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: RE: JFW & Audible I personalize web pages as I get to them based on the content I need to hear. I only make a couple of changes in the configuration manager, usually related to graphics, I think I generally set it to read labeled graphics and I change my voice scheme to rent-a-crowd. All the rest of the stuff I do through the verbosity insert V menu if I don't plan to revisit the page often, or through the personalize shift-insert-V menu. Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:11 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JFW & Audible Rose, So you ou do this rather than going into one of the Configuration Manager menus and making a global adjustment? Or is it an alternative to globally turning off that type of link? Also, I'm assuming that this doesn't disable or delete those links, but rather just makes them announce themselves more plainly. Am I correct? I certainly don't wish to make all the links on the Audible site disappear! I just want them to shut up. Thanks. lobablly ome ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: RE: JFW & Audible Press insert-shift V and you will hear personalize web page or something similar, then three is the usual list where in you press the space bar on any item to change its status. Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:11 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JFW & Audible this sounds like a very appealing option. I'm not familiar with where it is you make these settings, Rose, either as defaults or specific to a particular URL. I certainly don't mind reading the instructions, but could you tell me which topic to look for in Jaws help in order to learn about this feature? Thanks very much, Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: RE: JFW & Audible This is where the personalize web page feature is great, you can turn off the mouse-over links for pages where you don't need them by going to read elements and turning it off or on, on pages where they are helpful you can leave the feature running. I leave my configuration set to show the defaults and do personalize web pages for pages where either the mouse-over does not do anything or where I don't need to hear them. Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:50 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JFW & Audible Wow, I'm really glad you mentioned your solution, because I had no idea 1. that youcould turn off the mouse-over links that now announce themselves all over the Web, and 2. that if you did, you'd wipe out Jaws's ability to see most links on some pages. I am an Audible customer, and on the audible site, as on some others with links of this type, I've nearly blocked out the distracting announcement while waiting to hear the actual name of the link. Hard to explain. In any case, thanks for reporting this experience. anhy 2ith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Gillard" <kgillard@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: Re: JFW & Audible Well I figured it out. I needed to adjust the config manager to accommodate those pesky mouse over links on Odible. I turned off graphical links in order to browse EBay faster which hid the important links on the Audible sight.. erk! ! Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: JFW & Audible > Hi, > I am still using Jaws 6.0, and haven't yet installed jaws 6.20. At this > point, everything on the Audible site is as accessible as it was for me > with earlier versions. Your inquiry is the first time I've heard anyone > say > that the update may have ruined their Audible access. Any other Audible > users here who've also downloaded and installed version 6.20? It's hard > to > believe that it could mess up the accessibility of that site so much. But > if it does, that's a serious problem for a lot of Jaws users, I'd say. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Gillard" <kgillard@xxxxxxx> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:20 PM > Subject: JFW & Audible > > > hello, > > Since I have installed jfw 6.02 I have not been able to find links like My > account, Herd programs, add to shopping cart etc on Audible's web site. > Has > anyone else experienced this phenomena? 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