Re: JAWS training.

Dave,

Pretty much what I said.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 15:21
Subject: Re: JAWS training.


Dave:

Dan Clark, is Sighted.  Dan learned JAWS in order for him to perform the
functions of his job.  Deserves enormous street credibility.

Dan is an excellent user of JAWS, because he learned how to use the program
the way we as individuals who use JAWS need to use the program.  In other
words, he can use the program without having a monitor connected to the
computer.

There are a number of sighted people out there, who claim to be able to
teach a user who has no sight, to use JAWS, but they cannot use the program
without having a monitor connected to the computer.  These patronizing
fakes, have no street credibility and neither should they.

An equivalent example would be, a blind person teaching a sighted person how
to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS training.


> Mostafa,
>
> That's a very interesting perspective. I had not thought about this
> application for JAWS, especially for a person who does not speak the
> language being displayed.
>
> I know that Dan Clark is sighted, but I do not know if he uses JAWS
because
> it is his job, or because he would use it if he did not work for Freedom
> Scientific. I think the latter choice is less likely.
>
> I am not sure how many sighted users would pay the money for JAWS for the
> application you suggest, but I would guess that the number of those are
very
> small compared to the partially-sighted and blind community who use JAWS
as
> a means to be more on par with their sighted peers.
>
> Again I hope you are able to make good use of your ideas, but if you are
> wanting to know how many sighted users there are for JAWS, then
petitioning
> this list may not be a statistically valid population. I think there is a
> significant bias on this list toward those who have limited or no sight at
> all.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mostafa almahdy" <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 13:52
> Subject: Re: JAWS training.
>
>
> Hello mister Dave:
> first of all:
> I appreciate your responds to me; I experienced various positive
> associations from you.
> as all we know that's Dan Clark for instance who is essentially the
> initial representative of the regular updated JAWS training materials
> is completely a sighted guy; isn't he?
> and I think that's he is very creative user of JAWS.
> what I really wanted to say at this point:
> that's JAWS and it's related products is not entirely an private
> stufff for those who are visually impairment computer users; I believe
> that's JAWS could be used as an principal and SPECTACULAR educational
> instrument to teach the correct spoken tongue for nun native speakers.
> and that's precisely what JAWS has done for me.
> I wish to hear from you about this particular issue.
> I believe that's our adaptive technologies has been invented to get us
> out of any imprisonment conditions.
> I know that's the subject is not listed in the discussions herein; I
> apologize to it's moderators; owners and members.
>   Mostafa Almahdy.
> Egyptian Citizen.
> msn instant messenger:
> blind_user_forever@xxxxxxxxxxx
> join me per English Conversation and precious friendship.
> On 4/13/10, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hello Mostafa,
> >
> > That would be very hard data to gather. Even if you had some responses
on
> > this list, you would not know what percentage of the total JAWS
population
> > they represented.
> >
> > If you're interested in trying to gauge what type of training to
develop,
> > based on the partial vs. total blind community, I can understand your
need
> > for that. However I believe it's also data that you cannot get from any
> > other institution, even if they had it. There are some privacy issues
that
> > shelter that specific information.
> >
> > Perhaps there are some numbers you can get from governments, but I don't
> > think it would be so specific as to tell who uses JAWS, and who does
not.
> >
> > When I worked for another company years ago and I volunteered for a
> > committee for disabled employees, there was no legal way to find out how
> > many of each disability worked for the company due to those protections.
> > All
> > we knew were those who stepped forward and self-identified. But with
that
> > we
> > could not quantify any percentages.
> >
> > Good luck to your endeavor.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "mostafa almahdy" <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "jfw" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:16
> > Subject: JAWS training.
> >
> >
> > Hello everybody:
> > I thought to drop this message inquiring about how many of the JAWS
> > users are sighted?
> > any ideas?
> > Mostafa.
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