Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

prices going up? are you sure? dollars become  pounds sterling in Uk just
used my last update, had thought fs would keep prices stable especially now
thanks dorothy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles" <onthego2005@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!


Hello,

Here is another thing you maybe complaining about if and when you receive
notice from FS.  All versions of JAWS will be going up in price after
December 31, 2010 by 60.00 USD.  JAWS Pro currently is @$200.00 and standard
$120.00.  So when version 13 comes out in 2011 and you order renewal after
12/31/2010  and before version 13 is released add $60.00 to your SMA
renewal.

This affects individual user.

Charles

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From: "Tim" <tim@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:18 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

Hi Zdenek,

My main complaint about JAWS 12, along with every other version of JAWS,
is that it constantly slips back into 40 minute mode. This is why I am not
buying another version of JAWS until this gets fixed. Window Eyes does not
make you reauthorize your software every time you plug in a USB device or,
Heaven forbid, close your netbook in order to conveniently carry it with
you. I am currently setting aside money to purchase my copy of Window Eyes
very soon. Yes, I am counting down the days until I will be liberated from
this crazy existence. I am still using JAWS 8 and it has been constantly
slipping into 40 minute mode during interviews and school projects over
the past few weeks. This program was supposed to make me more independent.
To say the least I am disgusted and I am not willing to settle for the
Dongle to fix my problems either.

As far as the Research It feature, seriously, most people know how to use
search engines. From what I have heard about Research It, it sounds like a
pointless feature.

Tim

----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!


Well I have a friend who uses windoweyes and when I told him what new
version of jaws can do he acknowledged that it sounds pretty cool for
instance the support for new office, vinux acknowledges to be worse than
comercial speech stuff, I don`t know about nvda nor about serotek nor
about support for mac so just trying to keep things in perspective. Since
I am not american do I give a shitt about researchit features good for
americans like american sports or zip codes bookshare no I do not but
well that`s part of the product. As I tried to state bringing up valid
and specific criticissm of freedom scientific is valid and let them know
aobut the issues is good but I don`t expect all my complains to be
answerewed because other people may have different one and they may be in
general more important although all of us know that my points are the
most important and always the right one haha.
Zdenek

----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!


Zdenek,

No arguments (or b-ing) from me, and I won't even complain about your
complaint on my complaining. I sense your  frustration with the Braille
display issue, and am not able to commiserate since I don't use one. But
I'll continue to bring JAWS'  fallacies to the attention  of Freedom
Scientific  in the hope that they veer back toward the notion of "Job
Access" being the first two letters in their name.

Otherwise, they should consider renaming the product "RIWS" to better
describe their present direction.

I'll let Cy chime in on what that stands for.

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and
Mixing
Studios, San Jose, California


----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 19:36
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!


dave,
and that's myh bitch sabout bitching. Stimulating bitching jaws is worse
than windoweyes in this respect explanation follows jaws is worse than
mac
speech explanation follows
useless bitching jaws did not fix this bitching follows
there are many applications and many demands and it must be difficult to
try
to stay on top of everything which is in demand perhaps the future is
not in
assistive technology but in companikes like microsoft coming up with
speech
for their product but that's not happening so until then we have to rely
on
products like jaws with all their problems and don't think that other
products for nonvisually impraid don't have bugs and don't think that
other
companies don't sue how come that some speech software for blind does
not
support focus braille display only because it is produced by jaws how
come
that noone bittches about that?
food for thought?
Zdenek

----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!


Zdenek

,

And miss out on all the stimulating discussion? Never. Just because I
decry
the fallacies of JAWS and the apparent direction it's headed, I don't
think
any other screen reader is better, and choose to not sit down and learn
a
new one all over again. I switched from Window-Eyes to JAWS back around
1999
or so. Too old now to change, and also too old to not exercise my right
to
complain once in a while.

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and
Mixing
Studios, San Jose, California


----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:24
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!


well, I am not too sure if it is a good idea to critisize fs like this.
Well
if you do not like their product why do you use it? suggest something
better
say bye to the list and switch.
Zdenek

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!


I agree that fs should  nail down the basic functionality before adding
the
gizzmoes.  I don't need! The gizzmoes but I need jaws to to do what is
advertised and stable.

Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Alan Dicey
Sent: November 23, 2010 12:26 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!

Hello Cy, and Friends,
Well, I have an icon and  short cut keys for my Random House Webster's
Unabridge Dictionary, the Wikipedia   site, and use "Google
Acssesible",
so
then you see I do not need the Research it feature of JAWS.

And as some one else pointed out, I think it a fantastic idea that FS
develops specific JAWS programs, for example those using Braille
Displays,
Large Screen magnification programs, and thus keep JAWS as basic as
possible, therefore avoiding as many conflicts and problems having so
many
features in their package as they can.

Just my 2 cents worth!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org



----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!


Hi,
I agree.
Research It is not necessary but it sure is handy when one is in
Outlook
ant
wants to look up something with the dictionary or Wiki Pedia.
Cy, The Anasazi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yadiel Sotomayor
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:51 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

?Like I have said in previous posts, I like research it. Specially
the
dictionary and wiki pedia modules. I really don't care much about
sports
and

so I don't use them at all. But I must admit that the news modules is
very
useful and interesting (here in Puerto Rico the world news are almost
non
existing) and its good to be informed. However, like most of the
peaple
who
use research it, it is fun, but not nesesary. Specially if the
companies
and

universities don't create modules to make the information accessible
with
it. That is where the true power of research it really lies on
creating
modules to get certain kind of information accessible to jaws users.
But
no
one creates them and so research it remains a fun feature, but
nothing
else.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Daniel McGee" <mc-g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:18 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

Hi to all on this topic. I agree ok at 1st I liked Research it and
when
I
listened to that podcast I thought that is a cool feature but I must
admit

I hardly even use the keystroke.
In my personal opinion, I am glad that I waited until jaws 12 came
out.
The virtual Ribbon was worth the waiting for! Now I can use office
2007
with out avoiding it any more. I wonder why FS didn't fix that when
it
1st

came out. Hopefully it will continue to improve over the coming
year.
I'll admit I couldn't see anything that was benifitual in jaws 11
and
at
the end of the day what's the point of research it if you don't do
the
research your self! LOL
Thanks
Daniel

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From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:39 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

Dear Cy,
Well Said!
Research it?
Research it?
I ain't got no Research it!
I ain't got to use no stinkin Research it!

LOL!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org


!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!


Well fellas, I agree. Keep that old Windows 98 machine.
Things were a whole lot simpler back then because we were not
trying
to
be
all things to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
Just remember what happened to Julius Caesar when he tried to be
all
things
to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)
Cy, The Anasazi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf
Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:38 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!

Alan,

Good point, however I would think that after all those years, and
the
fact
that you've made no changes to the operating system nor JAWS on
that
old
Gateway, might have some impact on its relative stability. Keeping
a
simple
unencumbered version of JAWS is the path to happiness.  Don't let
that
computer go. And I see you still have Openbook 7. Keep that, too.
I
found
several significant problems with OB9. They pulled that cookie out
of
the
oven too soon.

I continue to rant at how "bloated" is becoming our beloved JAWS,
with
all
the features, some of which I consider frivolous. Of course my
opinion
is
worth every penny or Kopeck or Guilder or Pound you might pay for
it,
and
therefore  worth nothing to anyone who has a different opinion.

I've asked FS specifically to start branching out JAWS into three
basic
products (and price then appropriately) -- one for speech, one for
Braille,
and one for magnification. Then the code you pay for and receive
is
optimized for your requirements and not hobbled to make it a
cure-all
for
all ailments.

Of course each "module" should allow merging of the other module
to
allow
dual capability.

And of course it was appreciated and considered as not being a
suggestion
that would result in any improvement. So there I go. Another
opinion
worth
every penny.

Alan,  thanks for providing me yet another soap box to step up
onto.

Dave
Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
California


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:38
Subject: JAWS getting better or worse!


Dear Dorothy, and List Members,
I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I am a
cave
man,
and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in early
1999,
which
runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book 6,
but I
also
have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open
Book
7.02.

The point here especially for Dave is that things have not gotten
better

for
Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users,
they
have
gotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old
computer's
configuration for 11 years.

Can any say that about what they are using right now, with JAWS
12,
Windows
7?

Not I!!
LOL!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990


it was interesting, and I think another list member met him as
well
I
cannot spell his name but something like John fiorant,no but I
will
find
it he is retired and seems to have known everyone. the list can
be a
bit
stuffy at times, interesting seeing how many are using dell
computers,
having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact when
engineer
came he put in another faulty western digital, in all I have had
to
pay

a
local engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard Dell
made
big
profits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy is
sinking, I
have a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7, and
a
prior
viglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send to me
and
I
will do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers were
making

a
mess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your windows
98,
must
have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had his
pc
custom
made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current
dell
desktop
sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I was
thinking
like some cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a song
was
sung
about Chevrolet57----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM
Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990


Hello Dave,
I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list, but I
thought
the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and
when I
met
Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still developing
JAWS.
It had not been released yet!

Thank you!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990


Alan,

What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell me
why
you
posted
this reply.

Fill me in.

Dave
Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
California


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43
Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990


Dear Friends,
Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to a Blind
Computer
Users Group I had founded here in Miami.
He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading
software.

I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I
think
many
of
the nearly 30 attendents did

I actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the
speakers
stand
and
started his presentation, "How does this guy think he can go up
against
Digital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader,
Giant
corporations that could throw as much money into their Screen
reading
software programs as they cared to".

I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic!
I remember him as a very kind soft spoken, cordial gentleman.
I am so glad it worked out for him, and us!

With Best Regards,
Alan
Miami, Florida
Alan Dicey, President
United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA
"Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play
Chess!"
United States Braille Chess Association Home Page:
http://AmericanBlindChess.org




----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: new on the list


Hello Bob!

Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS are
you
currently
using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms and
have
noticed
some vagaries in operation. What's your experience?

Dave
Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose,
California


----- Original Message -----
From: "bob mathews" <bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10
Subject: new on the list


Hi all,
I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the
1980tys...


Bob Mathews
Bob Mathews Consulting
866 6343773
bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



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