I'll do better than that. Write me offlist and will give you the recipe. jtj1@xxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "Yadiel Sotomayor" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:36 AM Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!
?Hey Judy, I forgot to mention, save me a slice of that pie!lolololololol -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mann, Madleen" <Madleen.Mann@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 12:31 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!I'm with you on this any time same here and I bet noone understands it! Madleen Mann RNIB Customer Sales and Support/Technology 105, Judd Street London WC1H 9NE t: 0207 391 23 08 E: madleen.mann@xxxxxxxxxxxRNIB's Talking Books Service is a lifeline for thousands of blind and partially sighted people. At the moment fewer than 1 in 20 titles are available as talking books. Please donate today to help RNIB provide more. Call 0845 345 0054 or visit rnib.org.uk to help someone find their life again.-----Original Message-----From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yadiel SotomayorSent: 25 November 2010 16:25 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!?Judy, this may sound weird, but I prefer eloquence over any real speech orhuman sounding voice anytime. In fact, I have written a letter to apple saying that since they use the real speech voice from nuance, why not useeloquence. Silence was their only response. Frankly, I believe that nuanceshould provide eloquence as a paid a(or free) stand alone speechsynthesizer. That way I could use it with other programs like text to audioconverters. And of corse, transfer it to the iPod touch. lolol. Yadiel -------------------------------------------------- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 1:32 AM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!Hi, Yadiel, I'm sure you're right. I really like how Apple integrates the screen reader, but I really like the eloquence speech. Judy----- Original Message ----- From: "Yadiel Sotomayor" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!?Frankly, I uninstalled jaws for a while and used windows eyes. Nevercould get the hang of it. I found very complicated and very unintuitive.If I were to choose, I will go with jaws and if jaws wasn't available, (and I needed to work with a windows machine) I will go with NVDA. If I could have a choise of what kind of machine I was going to use, then I will go with apple. You don't need authorization, the screen readerimproves everytime a new OS is launch and since the screen reader is part of the OS and therefore was created while the OS was being develop we canrelax knowing that the screen reader is going to work without almost nobugs. Also, if your friends have an apple computer, you just hit CMD plusF5 and there you go. Screen reader ready to use. This comment is directed to Tim, have you contact FS and explain this problem? Have they given you an answer? One thing that I encourage with my friends is to have every single part of their software, specially screen readers updated. Sure, some features are not going to work correctly, but at least the company involved will be able to tackle the problem on the current version. Because we must face the fact that even though we stay with an old version of a software the company won't and they are not going to be able to update it nor help you by creating a patch for a software that is years out of date. Just my two cents Yadiel -------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:44 AM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!Tim, I believe your experience of JAWS slipping into 40-minute mode is uncommon.Mine doesn't do it. I switched to WindowEyes at a time when I, too, was furious at FS. I'll spare you the details because I could never prove aconnection between installation of JAWS 4.0 and the wrecking of my computer.However, WindowEyes and its tech support proved even more frustrating. Isoon returned to JAWS, and I have to say FS's people were helpful from then on. JAWS 4.5 was a very good version, leading me to believe I wasn't alone with my 4.0 problems.If you're comfortable using JAWS, aside from the 40-minute mode problem,I'durge you to put your energy and resources into solving the problem. Oneof the points that FS minimizes by its promotion of new features, such as Research It, is that they constantly upgrade JAWS to handle the ever-developing Web. Between Adobe and FS, for example, PDF files have been made much easier to handle. There was a time when they were often impossible. Other developments are more obscure and so harder for a consumer-oriented company like FS to publicize. I am critical of FS. Among many other programming deficiencies, I am told byexperts in the field that JAWS's never-solved the memory leak problem isasign of poor coding. I also suspect they rely too heavily on governmentcontracts to the detriment of consumer satisfaction. Nevertheless, the program undeniably provides unprecedented access to writing tools, research sources and so much more, and I am convinced JAWS is the leader in the screenreading arena. As the expression goes, switching to another screenreader could be cutting off your nose to spite your face. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:19 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Hi Zdenek,My main complaint about JAWS 12, along with every other version of JAWS,isthat it constantly slips back into 40 minute mode. This is why I am notbuying another version of JAWS until this gets fixed. Window Eyes does not make you reauthorize your software every time you plug in a USB device or,Heaven forbid, close your netbook in order to conveniently carry it withyou. I am currently setting aside money to purchase my copy of Window Eyes very soon. Yes, I am counting down the days until I will be liberated fromthis crazy existence. I am still using JAWS 8 and it has been constantly slipping into 40 minute mode during interviews and school projects overthe past few weeks. This program was supposed to make me more independent. To say the least I am disgusted and I am not willing to settle for the Dongle to fix my problems either. As far as the Research It feature, seriously, most people know how to usesearch engines. From what I have heard about Research It, it sounds likea pointless feature. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Well I have a friend who uses windoweyes and when I told him what new version of jaws can do he acknowledged that it sounds pretty cool forinstance the support for new office, vinux acknowledges to be worse thancomercial speech stuff, I don`t know about nvda nor about serotek nor aboutsupport for mac so just trying to keep things in perspective. Since I amnotamerican do I give a shitt about researchit features good for americanslikeamerican sports or zip codes bookshare no I do not but well that`s partof the product. As I tried to state bringing up valid and specific criticissm of freedom scientific is valid and let them know aobut the issues is good but I don`t expect all my complains to be answerewed because other people may have different one and they may be in general more important although all of us know that my points are the most important and always the right one haha. Zdenek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 5:08 AM Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Zdenek, No arguments (or b-ing) from me, and I won't even complain about your complaint on my complaining. I sense your frustration with the Brailledisplay issue, and am not able to commiserate since I don't use one. ButI'll continue to bring JAWS' fallacies to the attention of Freedom Scientific in the hope that they veer back toward the notion of "Job Access" being the first two letters in their name. Otherwise, they should consider renaming the product "RIWS" to better describe their present direction. I'll let Cy chime in on what that stands for. Dave Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 19:36 Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!dave, and that's myh bitch sabout bitching. Stimulating bitching jaws is worse than windoweyes in this respect explanation follows jaws is worsethan mac speech explanation follows useless bitching jaws did not fix this bitching follows there are many applications and many demands and it must bedifficult to try to stay on top of everything which is in demand perhapsthe future is not in assistive technology but in companikes like microsoft coming up with speech for their product but that's not happening so until then we have to rely on products like jaws with all their problems and don't think that other products for nonvisually impraid don't have bugs and don't think that other companies don't sue how come that some speech software for blind does not support focus braille display only because it is produced by jaws how come that noone bittches about that? food for thought? Zdenek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Zdenek , And miss out on all the stimulating discussion? Never. Just because I decry the fallacies of JAWS and the apparent direction it's headed, I don't thinkany other screen reader is better, and choose to not sit down and learnanew one all over again. I switched from Window-Eyes to JAWS back around1999or so. Too old now to change, and also too old to not exercise my rightto complain once in a while. Dave Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:24 Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!well, I am not too sure if it is a good idea to critisize fs like this.Well if you do not like their product why do you use it? suggest something better say bye to the list and switch. Zdenek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse! I agree that fs should nail down the basic functionality before adding the gizzmoes. I don't need! The gizzmoes but I need jaws to to do what is advertised and stable. Tom Bisset -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Dicey Sent: November 23, 2010 12:26 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: JAWS getting better or worse! Hello Cy, and Friends, Well, I have an icon and short cut keys for my Random House Webster's Unabridge Dictionary, the Wikipedia site, and use "Google Acssesible", so then you see I do not need the Research it feature of JAWS. And as some one else pointed out, I think it a fantastic idea that FS develops specific JAWS programs, for example those using Braille Displays, Large Screen magnification programs, and thus keep JAWS as basic as possible, therefore avoiding as many conflicts and problems having so many features in their package as they can. Just my 2 cents worth! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!Hi, I agree. Research It is not necessary but it sure is handy when oneis in Outlook ant wants to look up something with the dictionary or Wiki Pedia. Cy, The Anasazi -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yadiel Sotomayor Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:51 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! ?Like I have said in previous posts, I like research it. Specially thedictionary and wiki pedia modules. I really don't care much about sportsand so I don't use them at all. But I must admit that the news modules is very useful and interesting (here in Puerto Rico the world news are almost nonexisting) and its good to be informed. However, like most of the peaplewhouse research it, it is fun, but not nesesary. Specially if the companiesand universities don't create modules to make the information accessible withit. That is where the true power of research it really lies on creating modules to get certain kind of information accessible to jaws users. Butno one creates them and so research it remains a fun feature, but nothing else. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel McGee" <mc-g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:18 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!Hi to all on this topic. I agree ok at 1st I liked Research it and whenI listened to that podcast I thought that is a cool feature but I must admitI hardly even use the keystroke. In my personal opinion, I am glad thatIwaited until jaws 12 came out. The virtual Ribbon was worth the waitingfor! Now I can use office 2007 with out avoiding it any more. I wonder why FS didn't fix that when it 1st came out. Hopefully it will continue to improve over the coming year. I'lladmit I couldn't see anything that was benifitual in jaws 11 and at theendof the day what's the point of research it if you don't do the researchyour self! LOL Thanks Daniel -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:39 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Dear Cy, Well Said! Research it? Research it? I ain't got no Research it! I ain't got to use no stinkin Research it! LOL! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse! Well fellas, I agree. Keep that old Windows 98 machine. Things were a wholelot simpler back then because we were not trying to be all things to all people. (LOLLOLLOL) Just remember what happened to Julius Caesar when hetried to be all things to all people. (LOLLOLLOL) Cy, The Anasazi -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:38 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Alan, Good point, however I would think that after all those years, and the factthat you've made no changes to the operating system nor JAWS on that oldGateway, might have some impact on its relative stability. Keeping a simple unencumbered version of JAWS is the path to happiness. Don't let that computer go. And I see you still have Openbook 7. Keep that, too. I found several significant problems with OB9. They pulled that cookie out of the oven too soon. I continue to rant at how "bloated" is becoming our beloved JAWS, with all the features, some of which I consider frivolous. Of course my opinion is worth every penny or Kopeck or Guilder or Pound you might pay for it, and therefore worth nothing to anyone who has a different opinion.I've asked FS specifically to start branching out JAWS into three basicproducts (and price then appropriately) -- one for speech, one for Braille, and one for magnification. Then the code you pay for and receive is optimized for your requirements and not hobbled to make it a cure-all for all ailments. Of course each "module" should allow merging of the other module to allow dual capability. And of course it was appreciated and considered as not being a suggestion that would result in any improvement. So there I go. Another opinion worth every penny. Alan, thanks for providing me yet another soap box to step up onto. Dave Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:38 Subject: JAWS getting better or worse! Dear Dorothy, and List Members, I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I am a cave man, and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in early 1999, which runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book 6, but I also have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open Book 7.02.The point here especially for Dave is that things have not gotten betterfor Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users, theyhavegotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old computer'sconfiguration for 11 years. Can any say that about what they are using right now, with JAWS 12, Windows 7? Not I!! LOL! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990 it was interesting, and I think another list member met him as well I cannotspell his name but something like John fiorant,no but I will find it heis retired and seems to have known everyone. the list can be a bit stuffy attimes, interesting seeing how many are using dell computers, having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact when engineer came he putin another faulty western digital, in all I have had to pay a local engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard Dell made bigprofits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy is sinking,I have a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7, and a priorviglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send to me and Iwill do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers were making a mess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your windows 98, must have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had his pc custom made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current dell desktop sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I was thinking likesome cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a song was sung aboutChevrolet57----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990 Hello Dave, I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list, but I thought the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and when Imet Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still developing JAWS.It had not been released yet! Thank you! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990 Alan, What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell me why you posted this reply. Fill me in. Dave Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43 Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990Dear Friends, Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to aBlind Computer Users Group I had founded here in Miami. He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading software. I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I think many of the nearly 30 attendents didI actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the speakers standandstarted his presentation, "How does this guy think he can go up againstDigital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader, Giant corporations that could throw as much money into their Screen reading software programs as they cared to". I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic! I remember him as avery kind soft spoken, cordial gentleman. I am so glad it worked out forhim, and us! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: Re: new on the list Hello Bob! Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS are you currently using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms and have noticed some vagaries in operation. What's your experience? Dave Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob mathews" <bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10 Subject: new on the list Hi all, I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the 1980tys... 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