But Dave, Freedom Scientific couldn't really advertise in their marketing materials for JAWS how many bugs they fixed for the new version. Prospective buyers might get the idea that they have a buggy product.
Gary King w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Zdenek, Absolutely correct. I think your suggestions and complaints about the moretrivial parts of ResearchIt are spot on, so to speak. I'd rather they spendmore time fixing things that don't work than adding these "toys". So your complaints or suggestions to Freedom Scientific would be verysimilar to mine, and we just keep trying to do the best we can with what wehave available. By the way, what is your country? I'm from California, which is almost a country to itself in the U.S. political arena. Dave Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 (but without a WebCam) in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 20:20 Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Well I have a friend who uses windoweyes and when I told him what new version of jaws can do he acknowledged that it sounds pretty cool for instance the support for new office, vinux acknowledges to be worse thancomercial speech stuff, I don`t know about nvda nor about serotek nor about support for mac so just trying to keep things in perspective. Since I am not american do I give a shitt about researchit features good for americans likeamerican sports or zip codes bookshare no I do not but well that`s part of the product. As I tried to state bringing up valid and specific criticissm of freedom scientific is valid and let them know aobut the issues is good but I don`t expect all my complains to be answerewed because other people may have different one and they may be in general more important although all of us know that my points are the most important and always the right one haha. Zdenek----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 5:08 AM Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!Zdenek, No arguments (or b-ing) from me, and I won't even complain about your complaint on my complaining. I sense your frustration with the Braille display issue, and am not able to commiserate since I don't use one. But I'll continue to bring JAWS' fallacies to the attention of Freedom Scientific in the hope that they veer back toward the notion of "Job Access" being the first two letters in their name. Otherwise, they should consider renaming the product "RIWS" to better describe their present direction. I'll let Cy chime in on what that stands for. Dave Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 19:36 Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! dave, and that's myh bitch sabout bitching. Stimulating bitching jaws is worsethan windoweyes in this respect explanation follows jaws is worse than macspeech explanation follows useless bitching jaws did not fix this bitching follows there are many applications and many demands and it must be difficult to try to stay on top of everything which is in demand perhaps the future is not in assistive technology but in companikes like microsoft coming up with speech for their product but that's not happening so until then we have to rely on products like jaws with all their problems and don't think that other products for nonvisually impraid don't have bugs and don't think that other companies don't sue how come that some speech software for blind does notsupport focus braille display only because it is produced by jaws how comethat noone bittches about that? food for thought? Zdenek----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!Zdenek , And miss out on all the stimulating discussion? Never. Just because I decry the fallacies of JAWS and the apparent direction it's headed, I don't thinkany other screen reader is better, and choose to not sit down and learn anew one all over again. I switched from Window-Eyes to JAWS back around 1999 or so. Too old now to change, and also too old to not exercise my right to complain once in a while. Dave Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California----- Original Message ----- From: "Zdenek Vopat" <zdenekvopat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:24 Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! well, I am not too sure if it is a good idea to critisize fs like this. Well if you do not like their product why do you use it? suggest something better say bye to the list and switch. Zdenek----- Original Message ----- From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!I agree that fs should nail down the basic functionality before adding the gizzmoes. I don't need! The gizzmoes but I need jaws to to do what is advertised and stable. Tom Bisset -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Dicey Sent: November 23, 2010 12:26 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: JAWS getting better or worse! Hello Cy, and Friends, Well, I have an icon and short cut keys for my Random House Webster'sUnabridge Dictionary, the Wikipedia site, and use "Google Acssesible",so then you see I do not need the Research it feature of JAWS. And as some one else pointed out, I think it a fantastic idea that FS develops specific JAWS programs, for example those using Braille Displays, Large Screen magnification programs, and thus keep JAWS as basic as possible, therefore avoiding as many conflicts and problems having so many features in their package as they can. Just my 2 cents worth! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!Hi, I agree. Research It is not necessary but it sure is handy when one is in Outlook ant wants to look up something with the dictionary or Wiki Pedia. Cy, The Anasazi -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yadiel Sotomayor Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:51 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! ?Like I have said in previous posts, I like research it. Specially the dictionary and wiki pedia modules. I really don't care much about sports and so I don't use them at all. But I must admit that the news modules is very useful and interesting (here in Puerto Rico the world news are almost nonexisting) and its good to be informed. However, like most of the peaplewho use research it, it is fun, but not nesesary. Specially if the companies and universities don't create modules to make the information accessible withit. That is where the true power of research it really lies on creatingmodules to get certain kind of information accessible to jaws users. But no one creates them and so research it remains a fun feature, but nothing else. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel McGee" <mc-g@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:18 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!Hi to all on this topic. I agree ok at 1st I liked Research it and when I listened to that podcast I thought that is a cool feature but I must admitI hardly even use the keystroke. In my personal opinion, I am glad that I waited until jaws 12 came out. The virtual Ribbon was worth the waiting for! Now I can use office 2007with out avoiding it any more. I wonder why FS didn't fix that when it1stcame out. Hopefully it will continue to improve over the coming year. I'll admit I couldn't see anything that was benifitual in jaws 11 and atthe end of the day what's the point of research it if you don't do theresearch your self! LOL Thanks Daniel -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:39 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse!Dear Cy, Well Said! Research it? Research it? I ain't got no Research it! I ain't got to use no stinkin Research it! LOL! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: RE: JAWS getting better or worse!Well fellas, I agree. Keep that old Windows 98 machine.Things were a whole lot simpler back then because we were not tryingto be all things to all people. (LOLLOLLOL)Just remember what happened to Julius Caesar when he tried to be allthings to all people. (LOLLOLLOL) Cy, The Anasazi -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:38 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS getting better or worse! Alan, Good point, however I would think that after all those years, and the factthat you've made no changes to the operating system nor JAWS on thatoldGateway, might have some impact on its relative stability. Keeping asimple unencumbered version of JAWS is the path to happiness. Don't let that computer go. And I see you still have Openbook 7. Keep that, too. I found several significant problems with OB9. They pulled that cookie out of the oven too soon. I continue to rant at how "bloated" is becoming our beloved JAWS, with all the features, some of which I consider frivolous. Of course my opinion is worth every penny or Kopeck or Guilder or Pound you might pay for it, and therefore worth nothing to anyone who has a different opinion. I've asked FS specifically to start branching out JAWS into three basic products (and price then appropriately) -- one for speech, one for Braille, and one for magnification. Then the code you pay for and receive is optimized for your requirements and not hobbled to make it a cure-all for all ailments. Of course each "module" should allow merging of the other module to allow dual capability. And of course it was appreciated and considered as not being a suggestionthat would result in any improvement. So there I go. Another opinionworth every penny.Alan, thanks for providing me yet another soap box to step up onto.Dave Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:38 Subject: JAWS getting better or worse! Dear Dorothy, and List Members, I did not want to give any of you fine folks the impression I am a cave man, and just using a old Gateway machine which I purchased in early 1999, which runs Windows 98 (first Edition) JAWS 5 and I think Open Book 6, but I also have a Dell with XP-Home with JAWS 11 latest updates, and Open Book 7.02. The point here especially for Dave is that things have not gotten betterfor Blind computer users, Microsoft Windows users, nor JAWS users, they have gotten worse, as I have not had a single problem with my old computer's configuration for 11 years. Can any say that about what they are using right now, with JAWS 12, Windows 7? Not I!! LOL! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <Dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990it was interesting, and I think another list member met him as wellIcannot spell his name but something like John fiorant,no but I willfind it he is retired and seems to have known everyone. the list can be a bit stuffy at times, interesting seeing how many are using dell computers, having had dreadful service and a Drive failure plus fact when engineercame he put in another faulty western digital, in all I have had topayalocal engineer a great deal to set it up again,then heard Dell madebig profits and are pulling out of Ireland now the Irish economy is sinking, Ihave a good VIP friend in Herefordshire who once said tome 7, and aprior viglen XP desktop "pack them up and find a courier and send to me and I will do a rebuild, well of the viglen he knew,the engineers were makingamess of things, re vintage computers, the maker of your windows 98,must have been good, my late friend who loved his windows 98 had his pc custom made by a local small 2 man business.regarding booths current dell desktop sorry I have a broken shoulder and typing is very hard, I was thinking like some cars, they get a good name and on usa I think a song was sung about Chevrolet57----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Hello Dave I met Ted Henter in 1990Hello Dave, I apoligize if my message was not apropiate for the list, but I thought the person said he had been using JAWS since the 1980's, and when I met Ted Henter, in late 1990, almost 1991, he was still developing JAWS. It had not been released yet! Thank you! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: I met Ted Henter in 1990Alan,What's the context of your message? I find nothing to tell me whyyou posted this reply. Fill me in. Dave Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 06:43 Subject: I met Ted Henter in 1990 Dear Friends, Well, I met Ted Henter in November 1990 when he came to a Blind Computer Users Group I had founded here in Miami. He basically came to say he was developing a Screen Reading software.I must tell you, I did not take him very serious, nor did I thinkmany of the nearly 30 attendents did I actually chuckled to myself of course, when he took the speakers stand and started his presentation, "How does this guy think he can go up againstDigital Equipment Company, DEC Talk, the IBM Screen Reader, Giantcorporations that could throw as much money into their Screen reading software programs as they cared to". I had not a clue that he was on to something fantastic! I remember him as a very kind soft spoken, cordial gentleman. I am so glad it worked out for him, and us! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida Alan Dicey, President United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: http://AmericanBlindChess.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: Re: new on the listHello Bob! Welcome to the list. Since the 1980s? What version of JAWS are you currently using? Some of us are using JAWS 12 on various platforms and have noticed some vagaries in operation. What's your experience? Dave Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob mathews" <bmathews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 22:10 Subject: new on the list Hi all, I am new on the list, but have been a JAWS user since the 1980tys... 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