RE: JAWS Update Now Available


Hi Mr. Grims Bee,
Good after newn yard bird. 


Okay. In other words, an SMA is attached specifically to the next two 
releases. It is not a reservation for any two additional releases that come 
out in the future, nor even for any two *consecutive* releases.
This is correct.  If you buy a sma it covers the next two releces after the
version you own.  That is all.  

 It is 
specific to just the next two releases to come.
Yes the next two releces to come after the version you are running now.  
Interesting. Thanks.
You are quite welcome.
BTW, as you probably understand, my handle is a single word. I've explained 
this before. Yardbird. Take my assurance for this. It's not two words. I 
hope that's clear.Thanks.
Well yardBird I did not understand this nor did I really care.  Nor is my
name spelled correctly in your replying message.  My last name is not two
words either.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:05 AM
Subject: RE: JAWS Update Now Available


Yard bird lets make this easy for you.
You have jaws 8.  you buy a sma that gives you 2 upgrades 9 and 10 that is
it.  It matter not if you do not like nine and wait for ten.  You bought
nine and ten and that is what you get.  Period.  No if ands or buts.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:23 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available


You say consecutive. Okay, so does that mean that if you had an SMA for two
upgrades and decided to skip Version 9, then you could hang in there and get

10 and 11, instead? Rather than 9 and 10? Interesting. I always assumed they

made you apply the SMA to each release, not skipping one or even more until
you decided to use it. Interesting. If that's the case, what are these guys
saying about how they'd be wasting their SMA's on Version 9 unless some of
the glitches in Version 8 aren't fixed? I'm not understanding that.

Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blake Sinnett" <frequency660@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available


I'm afraid it doesn't matter whether you install an upgrade or not. If you
buy an SMA, you're entitled to two consecutive upgrades.


From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:16:09 -0700

Rick,

I'm not disagreeing with you about being disappointed with Jaws in the way
you express. But I'm not sure what you're saying about the SMA. Now, I may
be wrong, but here's how I thought the SMA arrangement worked. I thought you
buy an SMA to entitle you to the next two full Jaws releases, and if you
choose not to download and install one or both of them, no credit rolls over
so you can wait for a later version to try. In other words, let's say you
have an SMA that is supposed to be good for version 9 and 10. I thought that
if you never install 9, for instance, then all you'll have left on the SMA
will be version 10, and so forth.

Now, if I'm wrong, and buying an SMA entitles the user to any two upgrades,
or something like that, please explain. I'm afraid I'm not expressing the
question quite right, but maybe someone can see what I'm asking. You and one
other person have spoken resentfully about how you feel you'll be wasting
your SMA credit for Version 9 if Jaws 8 is never perfected before 9 is
released. Please understand that I'm not arguing with you. I honestly don't
not what the two of you are saying.

thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available


Hi Chris,

If FS releases a version 9 before version 8 is fixed I think we have a right
to cry foul here.  This problem honestly should have been fixed by now as
the other screen readers don't suffer from the problem, so why should Jaws
and why should we put up with having to use another SMA to get a fix that
should have been fixed by now.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available


Hi Darrell

Thanks for that, I believe I'll be sticking with my current version, as none
of the fixes apply to any programs I use on a daily
basis.   Let us hope that the blank virtual buffer thing is fixed
when 9.0 is released in September, according to the fs
website.  Besides, this version i have now works well enough and we all know
that old thing that says, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.


At 03:54 PM 6/21/2007, you wrote:
 >Hello Chris,
 >
 >I and others can confirm the issue still exists.  Quite disappointing.  >
>Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist  >Information should be
accessible to us without need of translation by  >another person.  >Blind
Access Journal blog and podcast: http://www.blindaccessjournal.com  >Check
out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead@xxxxxxxxxx>
 >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:41 PM
 >Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available
 >
 >
 >hi.  any chance that the problems with the blank virtual buffers have
>been fixed in build 2173?  >I don't want to download this new version 
>and
install it only to find  >that I'm still gonna have to load up internet
explorer a couple times  >before it works properly.  >  >  >  >  >At 02:55
PM 6/21/2007, you wrote:  > >Hi Rick and all,  > >  > >So far, it does seem
a bit more responsive.  > >  > >Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
> >Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by  
> >>
>another person.  > >Blind Access Journal blog and podcast:
http://www.blindaccessjournal.com  > >Check out high quality
telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i  > >----- Original
Message -----  > >From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  > >To:
<jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  > >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:46 PM  > >Subject:
Re: JAWS Update Now Available  > >  > >  > >It's working much better here
with Outlook Express as well.  > >Not perfect yet but much better than build
2107 in my opinion.  > >  > >Rick  > >  > >Rick  > >  > >----- Original
Message -----  > >From: "Jeffrey Shockley" <jawswizard@xxxxxxxxx>  > >To:
<jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  > >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:36 PM  > >Subject:
RE: JAWS Update Now Available  > >  > >  > >Hi,  > >Since I have installed
the latest update, I have noticed that JAWS works  > >a  > >lot better with
Outlook 2002 than it did in the last build. Before, when  > >I  > >would
open a message, JAWS would take a long time to even open it and get  > >me
> >to the point where I could start reading a message. Now, it just 
> >opens  >
>quickly like It used to and I can read messages without any problems.  
>> Cheers,  > >Jeffrey  > >  > >Check out my blog!  > >The URL is  > 
>http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com
 > >"You learn something new every day!"
 > >"You can do anything if you put your mind to it!"
 > >
 > >
 > >-----Original Message-----
 > >From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On  >
>Behalf  > >Of Rick Harmon  > >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:50 PM  > 
>>To:
jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx  > >Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available  > >  > >  >
>The OE bugs seem to be better here so far.  I don't have near as many  
>> hang  > >ups when pressing delete on a message while reading to  go 
>to the
next  > >message.  In the last build I had to stop speech every time before
doing  > >this or jaws would stop speaking.  So lets hope things are getting
fixed.  > >  > >Rick  > >  > >----- Original Message -----  > >From:
"Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  > >To:
<jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  > >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:29 PM  > >Subject:
Re: JAWS Update Now Available  > >  > >  > >Well the virtual cursor issues
has still not been fixed! We obviously  > >need to complain more, or perhaps
maybe wait and see what JAWS 9 has for  > >us in store. Thanks for letting
us know about this.  > >On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:57:20 -0500, "Bruce Toews"
<dogriver@xxxxxxxx>  > >said:  > > > FS has just updated JAWS 8.0. Go to
www.freedomscientific.com, JAWS  > > > Headquarters, and the features and
downloads link. This version takes  > > > JAWS 8.0 out of public beta for
Windows Vista users, and is an update  > > > for all other supported
versions of JAWS. You should be able to use  > > > the  > > > auto-update
feature if your JAWS is current, but if you are not, just  > > > install
this new version overtop of your current installation.  > > > Bruce  > > >
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