Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
- From: orhan deniz <orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: DJ <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:50:58 +0100
Hi DJ,
That message wasn't directly directed to you. Sorry.
Best regards,
Orhan.
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On Tuesday, 23 September 2008 9:46:49 PM, DJ Wrote:
> With all due respect Sir orhan, I have not been griping or anything of the
> sort. I was simply participating in a discussion as were many other people.
> If you have a real problem with me sir, we can discuss that too. Sounds
> like you're actually the one with a spur up your behind kind sir. Have a
> nice day.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of orhan deniz
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:52 PM
> To: DJ
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
> Hi DJ,
> Yes, but ppl don wanna understand the freekin' point. The freekin' point is
> that sighted ppl are placed in the edit field as well. Ya understand? We
> want equality so we have it. Stop bitching and wining. Seriously.
> Best regards,
> Orhan.
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> On Tuesday, 23 September 2008 1:43:17 AM, DJ Wrote:
>> I disagree. The first thing I do at Google isn't always type in the
>> edit box. I sometimes go to the Maps link, or some other area. So
>> searching isn't the only thing on people's minds when they visit Google.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Rick Harmon
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:28 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>> No, if the primary thing you do on a page is immediately use an edit
>> field such as in the case of google then the focus is on the edit
>> field. I do believe this to be proper design of the webpage and
>> nothing of FS doing at all.
>> Also it has nothing to do with web designers hijacking us jaws users at
> all.
>> Most of these web page designers have no idea what jaws even is.
>> Rick
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>> But Peter,
>> I'm not sure from what perspective you're saying this about page design.
>> When a Web page loads for a sighted user not using a screen reader,
>> there is not a focus issue or the page capturing the mouse pointer or
>> a cursor of some sort and jumping anywhere. The page simply loads, the
>> person sees all of it, glances to where they want to look, and reads.
>> Or, if they want to use an edit field, they see it and then put the
>> mouse pointer on it. They aren't captured the way our Jaws focus is
>> hijacked when a page loads and takes us straight to an edit field.
>> So do you mean that Web page designers have deliberately coded
>> something into edit fields in many cases that they know will attract the
> Jaws focus?
>> Or is this rather something that FS designs into the way Jaws sees the
>> page as it loads? Or some combination of these two things? See what I
> mean?
>> designes JasewJaww
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>> Yes you can design the web page so that it jumps the user straight to
>> a field, and yes it will be because of that design as to why it
>> happens with some sites and not with others.
>> I think that JAWS should initially treat the edit field it first jumps
>> to as the page loads, in the same way as it treats form fields when
>> you use the quick navigation keys.
>> Peter
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>> Hi Peter and all,
>>> It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
>>> happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not
>>> sophisticated enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn
>>> to the first edit field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows,
>>> this doesn't happen with every page, not even a lot of pages that
>>> have search functions not far from the top of the page. The New York
>>> Times, for instance. When one of the article pages load, Jaws leaves
>>> me at the top of the page where I can hear the headline of the
>>> article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish to use the
>>> global search function to look for something I don't know where to
>>> find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I
>>> get to the search form.
>>> But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field
>>> immediately, bypassing text and other page elements that precede it
>>> if I arrow back upward to see what's there. So it's something about
>>> this which, if it didn't happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto
>>> forms mode thing that's got everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone,
>>> anyway.
>>> If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to
>>> confirm or preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really
>>> interested to hear something more about this. It's the technology
>>> that interests me at this point, as I am not playing with the Beta
>>> and I don't feel like getting involved in complaining about Freedom
>>> Scientific's corporate style or defending them, either.
>>> Thanks very much.
>>> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>> Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms
>>> mode it causes you to press submit or something instead.
>>> As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.
>>> Peter
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>>>> I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where
>>>> you land on the search edit field after the site has loaded.
>>>> Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I
>>>> would probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know,
>>>> some habits are so hard to break or change.
>>>> Sincerely:
>>>> Dave Durber
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