Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

I respect the many points of view expressed in this discussion, but the same ones have been going round and round for some time and my delete key grows weary. I'm not directing this at any one lister. I just want my JAWS-related folder to return to manageability. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
Ohran, your starting to get kind of out of control here. calm down it will 
all be cool.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: "orhan deniz" <orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: "DJ" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Hi DJ,
Yes, but ppl don wanna understand the freekin' point. The freekin' point is 
that sighted ppl are placed in the edit field as well. Ya understand? We
want equality so we have it. Stop bitching and wining. Seriously.

Best regards,
Orhan.
--
Orhan Deniz.
E-mail:
orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxx
MSN/Windows Live ID:
orhan1793@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Skype:
orhan.deniz63
Blog:
http://worldandother.wordpress.com
Twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008
Last.fm! Profile:
http://last.fm/user/orhandeniz1993
On Tuesday, 23 September 2008 1:43:17 AM, DJ Wrote:

I disagree.  The first thing I do at Google isn't always type in the edit
box.  I sometimes go to the Maps link, or some other area.  So searching
isn't the only thing on people's minds when they visit Google.



-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harmon
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:28 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
No, if the primary thing you do on a page is immediately use an edit field 
such as in the case of google then the focus is on the edit field.  I do
believe this to be proper design of the webpage and nothing of FS doing at 
all.



Also it has nothing to do with web designers hijacking us jaws users at
all.



Most of these web page designers have no idea what jaws even is.



Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode




But Peter,



I'm not sure from what perspective you're saying this about page design.
When a Web page loads for a sighted user not using a screen reader, there
is
not a focus issue or the page capturing the mouse pointer or a cursor of
some sort and jumping anywhere. The page simply loads, the person sees all 
of it, glances to where they want to look, and reads. Or, if they want to
use an edit field, they see it and then put the mouse pointer on it. They
aren't captured the way our Jaws focus is hijacked when a page loads and
takes us straight to an edit field.



So do you mean that Web page designers have deliberately coded something
into edit fields in many cases that they know will attract the Jaws focus? 
Or is this rather something that FS designs into the way Jaws sees the
page
as it loads? Or some combination of these two things? See what I mean?
designes JasewJaww
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode




Yes you can design the web page so that it jumps the user straight to a
field, and yes it will be because of that design as to why it happens with 
some sites and not with others.



I think that JAWS should initially treat the edit field it first jumps to
as
the page loads, in the same way as it treats form fields when you use the
quick navigation keys.



Peter



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode



Hi Peter and all,



It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not
sophisticated
enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit 
field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen
with
every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far
from
the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can
hear
the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish 
to
use the global search function to look for something I don't know where
to
find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get 
to
the search form.



But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it
didn't
happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.



If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm
or
preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to
hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at
this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like
getting
involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
defending them, either.



Thanks very much.
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode




Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode
it
causes you to  press submit or something instead.



As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.



Peter



--------------------------------------------------
From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode



I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where you
land
on the search edit field after the site has loaded.



Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I
would
probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, some habits 
are
so hard to break or change.



Sincerely:



Dave Durber



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or 
the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw



If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw



If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw



If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw



If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the



way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw



If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact
the
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw



If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or
the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather
contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list:
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the 
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com 
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw
If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

__________ NOD32 3465 (20080923) Information __________

This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
http://www.eset.com




--
JFW related links:
JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/
Scripting mailing list: 
http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com
JFW List instructions:
To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to 
jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
Archives located at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/jfw

If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the 
way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the 
list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Other related posts: