Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

  • From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:53:10 +0100

It isn't FS support is it, but the website design and it taking the cursor to the edit field ready for a user to search i.e. Ebay or Google.


Peter

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From: "Bruce Toews" <Bruce@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:32 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

For some pages, yes, focus is brought to the edit field when you load
the Web page. If you go to www.google.com, for example, this happens. I
can't remember for which version of JAWS FS introduced this support.

bruce


On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:18:57 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
But Peter,

I'm not sure from what perspective you're saying this about page design.
When a Web page loads for a sighted user not using a screen reader, there
is
not a focus issue or the page capturing the mouse pointer or a cursor of
some sort and jumping anywhere. The page simply loads, the person sees
all
of it, glances to where they want to look, and reads. Or, if they want to
use an edit field, they see it and then put the mouse pointer on it. They
aren't captured the way our Jaws focus is hijacked when a page loads and
takes us straight to an edit field.

So do you mean that Web page designers have deliberately coded something
into edit fields in many cases that they know will attract the Jaws
focus?
Or is this rather something that FS designs into the way Jaws sees the
page
as it loads? Or some combination of these two things? See what I mean?
designes JasewJaww
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Yes you can design the web page so that it jumps the user straight to a
field, and yes it will be because of that design as to why it happens
with
some sites and not with others.

I think that JAWS should initially treat the edit field it first jumps to
as
the page loads, in the same way as it treats form fields when you use the
quick navigation keys.

Peter

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

> Hi Peter and all,
>
> It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
> happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not
> sophisticated
> enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first > edit
> field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen
> with
> every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far
> from
> the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
> article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can > hear > the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually > wish
> to
> use the global search function to look for something I don't know where > to > find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I > get
> to
> the search form.
>
> But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
> bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
> upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it
> didn't
> happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
> everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.
>
> If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to > confirm
> or
> preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested > to > hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me > at
> this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like
> getting
> involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
> defending them, either.
>
> Thanks very much.
> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
> Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode > it
> causes you to  press submit or something instead.
>
> As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on > automatically.
>
> Peter
>
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> From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>> I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where >> you
>> land
>> on the search edit field after the site has loaded.
>>
>> Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I >> would >> probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, some >> habits
>> are
>> so hard to break or change.
>>
>> Sincerely:
>>
>> Dave Durber
>>
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