Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

  • From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:21:09 +0100

Just noticed your message, Apologies for the dleay, but since when was this resolved. 


Peter

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:00 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Keep reading the messages. We've resolved this. Everything is fine now.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


No, as far as I am aareaware, even for sighted users, when you go to some
webpages, the cursor is automtically placed in the search dialogue box.

I'm sure somebody will tell me if that's incorrect.
No conspiracy theories I'm afraid, although people on this list seem good at 
assuming there are bad things happening.

Peter

Peter

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:18 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


But Peter,

I'm not sure from what perspective you're saying this about page design.
When a Web page loads for a sighted user not using a screen reader, there
is
not a focus issue or the page capturing the mouse pointer or a cursor of
some sort and jumping anywhere. The page simply loads, the person sees all 
of it, glances to where they want to look, and reads. Or, if they want to
use an edit field, they see it and then put the mouse pointer on it. They
aren't captured the way our Jaws focus is hijacked when a page loads and
takes us straight to an edit field.

So do you mean that Web page designers have deliberately coded something
into edit fields in many cases that they know will attract the Jaws focus? 
Or is this rather something that FS designs into the way Jaws sees the
page
as it loads? Or some combination of these two things? See what I mean?
designes JasewJaww
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx> 
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Yes you can design the web page so that it jumps the user straight to a
field, and yes it will be because of that design as to why it happens with 
some sites and not with others.

I think that JAWS should initially treat the edit field it first jumps to
as
the page loads, in the same way as it treats form fields when you use the
quick navigation keys.

Peter

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Hi Peter and all,

It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not
sophisticated
enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit 
field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen
with
every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far
from
the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can
hear
the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish 
to
use the global search function to look for something I don't know where
to
find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get 
to
the search form.

But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it
didn't
happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.

If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm
or
preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to
hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at
this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like
getting
involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
defending them, either.

Thanks very much.
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode
it
causes you to  press submit or something instead.

As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.

Peter

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From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where you
land
on the search edit field after the site has loaded.

Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I
would
probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, some habits 
are
so hard to break or change.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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