RE: IE crashing at New York Times

I'm in the same boat as you. I've tried saving the web page personal settings 
and IE crashes. I lose speech as well so don't know what the error message 
says. 

In short, insert plus shift plus v does not work, at least not for me. 

Can you tell me who at NY Times you contacted? I'm going to email them as well 
in hopes that since they changed the code in the first place, they will change 
it back. 

Interestingly enough I've been told that this problem does not occur with older 
JAWS's nor does it occur with Window Eyes. 

Very strange. 

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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:42 PM
To: JFW List; Jaws Lite
Subject: IE crashing at New York Times


I've been a daily site visitor to the New York Times Online for years, with 
very few problems relating to screen reader accessibility, let alone fatal 
Internet Explorer crashes.

But about a week ago, nearly everything I did after loading the initial page 
of a Times article has brought up a crash message from IE, asking whether or 
not I want to send an error report to Microsoft.  Once I was given a message 
or dialogue box that actually described or categorized the error involved, 
something about memory, but by the time that happened I was so distraught 
from trying to make the Times site function that I exited without stopping 
to read that message, and it's never reappeared since then.

The Times tech support or customer support staff responded to an inquiry I 
sent them some days ago, and said that they'd gotten a similar complaint 
from other jaws users, and provided me a link to the FS site, I suppose this 
is a support knowledge base entry or whatever it's called.  I quote in part, 
and will resume my comments below:

Category: Internet Explorer

Short Description:

When reading Web pages, Internet Explorer unloads the page or stops 
responding (crashes).

Problem:

While using JAWS to read Web pages with cascading style sheets (CSS) in 
Internet Explorer, one of the following occurs:

* The browser stops responding (crashes)
* The page unloads
* JAWS does not read all text that is visible on the screen

These problems are often caused by imported cascading style sheets. The 
page's style sheet may also cause certain text or information to be 
unavailable
to JAWS. Usually this occurs because the page displays text or other 
elements at some point after the page loads.

Solution:

JAWS 6.10 allows you to control how style sheets are processed. Do the 
following if you experience problems with a particular Web site:

-- it goes on to explain how to use the on the fly verbosity Insert V menu 
to adjust the stylesheet item, and the personal Web page setting method 
Insert Shift V to make your adjustment permanent, if it works.  My 
questions:

1.  Is this really about stylesheets?  I'm partially sighted, and I can't 
see more text appearing over the Web page in some fashion.  Does anyone know 
if the Times suddenly changed something about this aspect of their page 
designs only a week ago?  If not, then this solution isn't going to work.
2.  I still use Jaws 6.0 because, so far as I could tell from reading 
bulletins about the updates, they didn't offer any features that sounded 
relevant to my own daily needs.  But as I don't understand what stylesheets 
are, maybe that topic was mentioned and had I understood its implications, 
I'd have installed the updates.

Any knowledgeable suggestions or questions will be very appreciated.



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