Re: Freedom Suing GW Micro

ditto that, dude. I think the one who'll be looser will be the one who 
drinks the most after the case is decided, because that will loosen them up 
more than the other one.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave_d0619" <dave_d0619@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Freedom Suing GW Micro


Hello everyone:

Whatever the pros and cons of the case in Freedom Scientific vs.. GW Micro,
there will be only one real winner and only one real looser.

The winner, will be the lawyers, who will go laughing all the way to the
bank with their fat fees.

The looser, will be the users of both companies on whose products we have
come to rely upon in our every day lives.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Freedom Suing GW Micro


> Karl,
>
> If you read the blog entry linked to in  the messages posted to this list,
> you will see that the lawsuit is over a patent issue.  FS is saying that
GW
> Micro infringed on their PlaceMarker patent.  According to the patent,
when
> you use the JAWS PlaceMarker feature, the JAWS program counts the number
of
> HTML tags on a web page down to the string of text that you marked.  Then
> when you call up this PlaceMarker again, the program retrieves this
> information to find your PlaceMarker.  If you've ever used this feature on
a
> page that changed after you set a PlaceMarker, you know that their
technique
> fails in this case.  GW Micro's technique for locating a PlaceMarker is
> different since it doesn't fail when the page changes.  Since they use a
> different method, it's hard to see how GW Micro is infringing on the FS
> patent.
>
> I think that FS would like to slow down the development of Window-Eyes.
> They hear footsteps behind them, and instead of running faster to keep
> ahead, they want to beat their competition over the head with a club.  I
had
> hoped that the increased competition of GW Micro would encourage FS to
make
> a better product, but again they would rather spend their resources trying
> to crush their competitors in court.
>
> Gary King
> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Smith" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Freedom Suing GW Micro
>
>
> >I surely don't know the entire story behind this news but I do know that
FS
> > and others certainly have to pay licensing fees for the products they
use
> > from Microsoft and even the Braille translator in JAWS.  This may be
> > something like that or it may not.  Remember that the only news we have
> > heard is from GW Micro who, like it or not, is far behind in the screen
> > reading market.  I don't say this to trash the product as I think it is
a
> > good product written by smart and caring people but the facts are the
> > facts.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> > ____________________
> >
> > Karl Smith
> > Access Technology Specialist
> > Axis
> > 4304 South El Camino St.
> > Taylorsville, Utah 84119
> >
> > Phone:  866-824-7885
> > Fax:    866-824-7885
> > E-mail: karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Life is one dumb thing after another....Love is two dumb things after
each
> > other.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> > Of john.falter
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:57 PM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Freedom Suing GW Micro
> >
> > In software and manufacturing, many techniques are patented.
> > GW micro may have to pay for some license.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <Jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:52 PM
> > Subject: FW: Freedom Suing GW Micro
> >
> >
> >>I thought the JAWS users would be as interested in this development as
> >> anyone.
> >>
> >> It looks to me like blind users are the obvious losers here, if as is
> >> claimed, capabilities of a screen reader can be patented so that no
> >> other products to aid blind users can make use of them.
> >>
> >> Absolutely, unbelievable, and what a loss for us all.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:42 PM
> >>> To: gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: Freedom Suing GW Micro
> >>>
> >>> Doug recently posted a very interesting blog entry that you
> >>> should read:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/2008/07/24/do_compan
> >>> ies_really_compete_on_who_has_t
> >>>
> >>> Aaron
> >>> --
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> >>> correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information
> >>> pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the GW
> >>> Micro Technical Support Team.
> >>>
> >>> Aaron Smith
> >>> GW Micro
> >>> Phone: 260/489-3671
> >>> Fax: 260/489-2608
> >>> WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com
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> >>> The gw-news list is an announce only list used for GW Micro
> >>> news and product information.
> >>>
> >>>
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