Re: Forced to switch to JFW Pro
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:31:58 -0800
Hi Joseph,
could you please explain what you meant by the following?
you wrote:
I was told when I had a problems with window eyes that it is not jaws fault.
Could you phrase that differently? I don't understand what you mean.
thanks.
ollowiing:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Machise" <josephmachise@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Forced to switch to JFW Pro
Well you see, this is what I mean no matter what you say FS will always tell
people to upgrade and spend more money,
there answer to fix a problem is to tell people just keep buying up grades.
The reason why I feel this way, and a lot of people agree with me,
is because another reason,
is when I in stall Jaws it said on the installation something to this
affect,
this program can not be verified, or passed the windows verification test or
something like that it did not say anything about the publisher, I called FS
on this and they said that Microsoft put something in,
no other program says that, even Kurzweil the program just installs very
easily,
this is what I mean they are always blaming other people for there screw
ups,
I was told when I had a problems with window eyes that it is not jaws fault,
we found out that it was Jaws making this other problem happen.
Joseph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Forced to switch to JFW Pro
> Hi. It's really sad that a screen reader like jaws has to cost so much
> money. I had asked FS a technical question one time and they sent me an
> email saying that I should upgrade to the newest version of jaws but I
> can't afford it. Katrina, I hope you can get a computer with xp home on
> it.
> Rosemarie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sun Sparkle" <sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 6:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Forced to switch to JFW Pro
>
>
>> the cost of xp pro os is about 100 dollars more that is all.
>> it is kind of sad that fs has to stoop to levels like this to make a
>> point to the blind people out there, meaning that fs is a money hungry
>> company and doesn't care what or how they make money to gain more status
>> in making a product that is to work with out any flaws. but clearly it
>> hasn't happened.
>> and you can get a custom made for under 1000 dollars for about 300 or
>> 400 dollars
>> I know of a place that builds these kind of custom systems.
>> jaws is certainly a resource hog,
>> and the corruption of windows core is true in the sense that they have to
>> hack into windows to get the info that is needed well, other
>> products/screen readers mentioned here before do not do such things.
>> and why does fs have to trick people into purchasing jaws pro anyway?on
>> another list eric said
>> Begin quote
>> you never know when standard support will be going away"
>> end of quote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joseph Machise" <josephmachise@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: Forced to switch to JFW Pro
>>
>>
>>> Well Katrina,
>>> You are silently in a lot of hot water.
>>> If I were you,
>>> I would take the Computer back.
>>> And get a custom one made with your own version of windows.
>>> I have had my problems with fs,
>>> and the ATI Cards,
>>> Jaws is a resource haug,
>>> it also messes up the core of windows.
>>> It will cost you $1000 or more to get a custom machine built, from now
>>> on a lesson learned.
>>> Don't by Computers with windows built on, because if your machine
>>> should crash,
>>> when you put your windows back you will lose all your data,
>>> and the machine will be put back as it was when you bought it.
>>> If I were you, I would get my own machine and put your own windows on,
>>> if you by XP pro. that is more money than XP home.
>>> FS doesn't care about anybody, all they care is about people with
>>> money.
>>> You sound like a nice person Katrina, I wish you were my girl friend,
>>> but I have to go, good luck, I hope I can be of some help.
>>> If you need any more information,
>>> You can write me off list, or call me on the phone.
>>> #781-599-6664
>>> Email is josephmachise@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Joseph
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Katrina" <kanderson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:35 AM
>>> Subject: Forced to switch to JFW Pro
>>>
>>>
>>>> After spending the last week dealing with several problems getting a
>>>> new
>>>> desktop computer to work, it turns out I am faced with the worst
>>>> problem of
>>>> all, and everything I have gone through thus far may have been a huge
>>>> waste
>>>> of time, money, and resources. Obviously I will contact FS Monday
>>>> about
>>>> this matter, but that will be my first day back to work after a long
>>>> vacation, so I may not have an easy time of getting to speak with
>>>> somebody
>>>> during business hours. In the meantime, I was hoping somebody on this
>>>> list
>>>> could help.
>>>>
>>>> I thought that my new computer came with Windows XP Home, but instead
>>>> it has
>>>> Windows XP Media Center. I had never heard of that, and actually had
>>>> thought there were only two versions (Home or Pro). I knew to not get
>>>> Windows XP Pro, but apparently I should have known to stress that my
>>>> version
>>>> of JFW would only work with XP Home, and made sure to not get the Media
>>>> Center. I had called FS to ask if there was anything I needed to stay
>>>> away
>>>> from and/or know about before buying the computer. I specifically
>>>> asked
>>>> about the ATI video card, as I had heard that could be a problem. I
>>>> was
>>>> advised on that topic, but was given no other advice. Oh well, that is
>>>> water under the bridge. Now I need to figure out how to solve the
>>>> problem
>>>> at hand. After installing JFW, I was given a message about this
>>>> version of
>>>> JFW not working with XP Pro, etc. I thought that was interesting,
>>>> because I
>>>> didn't purchase XP Pro. I did a bit of research on the FS Website, and
>>>> learned that FS does not support Media Center (and/or hasn't tested
>>>> it), but
>>>> that it would work with the professional version of JFW. Well, it was
>>>> a
>>>> great time to find that out! (frown)
>>>>
>>>> As I see it, there are three choices. First of all I called HP to ask
>>>> if
>>>> the HP Pavilion with Windows XP Media Center could be changed to XP
>>>> Home. I
>>>> was told absolutely it could not! I was advised to return the
>>>> computer, and
>>>> get one with XP Home, so that is my second option. Or then there is
>>>> the
>>>> third option of purchasing the JFW Pro version. Since the first option
>>>> appears to be out of the question, I'm left with two choices. I truly
>>>> don't
>>>> want to think about returning the computer and getting another one, as
>>>> I
>>>> have spent a good deal of time and money getting this computer working.
>>>> I
>>>> have had lots of people help with transportation, installation, etc.
>>>> This
>>>> past week I was on vacation, but Monday it is back to reality. I never
>>>> considered that I couldn't have this computer working before returning
>>>> to
>>>> the stress of my job. But, it is unfortunately going to happen that
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> It is a long story, but all of it revolves around the installation of a
>>>> secondary hard drive (from my old computer), and the floppy from the
>>>> old
>>>> computer. Best Buy ran into a major problem, which they thought was a
>>>> flaw
>>>> in my new computer. Turned out the problem lied in their network. I
>>>> don't
>>>> even know if they will take this computer back after all of the work
>>>> that
>>>> has been done. Fortunately I have had access to transportation this
>>>> past
>>>> week, so it was possible to travel back and forth to Best Buy multiple
>>>> times. That transportation will not be available after tomorrow, and I
>>>> am
>>>> definitely not going to pay for a taxi considering the distance
>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>>> So, that makes me lean toward the latter choice....getting the JFW Pro
>>>> version. Now my question...how much would I have to pay to get that
>>>> software? I just purchased version 6.1 a few months ago, and have been
>>>> using version 7 most recently. I really am not sure I can afford
>>>> another
>>>> thousand dollars. Since I already have JFW, and a Sma, would I have to
>>>> pay
>>>> the full price? And, since FS hasn't tested Media Center should I stay
>>>> away
>>>> from it?
>>>>
>>>> All thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Katrina
>>>>
>>>>
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