Re: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
- From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:15:47 -0400
I didn't get it either. Yes it is a jaws function but I'm not sure what
function it fulfills. Judith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
> This is a Jaws proofreading utility? I don't get it. I pressed Insert
Alt
> S, a couple of times just to be sure, while in a Word document. And what
> came up, I'm not sure what it was. A list of possibilities beginning with
> Classic Scheme, then other options including something about tab stops or,
I
> don't know. I wasn't able to infer from hearing this list what it
pertained
> to.
>
> Now, I confess, I never heard of any sort of Jaws utility that proofreads,
> though I'm not even sure what that means in Word, unless it's just a way
of
> talking about spell checking and grammar checking. But back to the point,
> if there's some proofreading utility in Jaws, to which there doesn't seem
to
> be any reference in Jaws help topics, nor any way to approach it from
either
> a menu or the Configuration Manager, and it can only be invoked with an
> awkward hotkey combo that brings up something about classic schemes and
> tabulation points, well, I'm completely befuddled. I wonder if I've
> misunderstood something. It *is* related to Jaws, isn't it? Isn't that
why
> the Insert key is involved?
>
>
> oteky e h and what I
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Wells" <dd-wells@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
>
>
>
> That will work too! Go for it!
> Danny
>
> At 12:08 PM 7/26/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >Okay, I guess that works for me, though it's still not a very natural
thing
> >for my left hand. As for the Insert key, in all good humor, I gotta ask
> >why
> >everyone feels the need to specify which finger or thumb to use to press
> >this, any more than something like the enter key? I'm smiling, not being
> >sarcastic. I mean, all day long, I press the Insert key as a Jaws key
with
> >this finger, or that finger, or whatever, just depending what else I have
> >to
> >press with that hand at the moment.
> >
> >Like, say, the say word or say line or say all commands find me pressing
> >Insert with my thumb, which sort of anchors my hand so I can accurately
and
> >easily press the 8, 5, or 3 keys on the num pad with my right middle
> >finger.
> >That's just a naturally stable arrangement, that happens without my even
> >thinking about it.
> >
> >But if a command involves the insert key plus some key under my left
hand,
> >then I press Insert with anything that happens to reach for it, whether
> >it's
> >my thumb, index or middle finger. This scenario under discussion being
an
> >instance of the latter case.
> >
> >Anyway, I'll try to bring up this proofreading function again. I' still
> >like to know where it is discussed in Jaws help, where it can be found
on
> >some menu, and so forth. thanks.
> >Daniel
> >
> >wells@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:46 AM
> >Subject: Re: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
> >
> >
> >
> >Use the ring finger on the left hand for the S key and the thumb on the
> >left hand for the alt key and the thumb on the right hand for the insert
> >key. Of course press the alt and insert key before the S key. No
problem!
> >
> >Danny
> >
> >At 11:28 AM 7/26/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Humm. Except for the Insert/Jaws key, which I can press with any finger
> >>or
> >>thumb just so I feel for it and find it, I find this physically
> >>impossible.
> >>First of all, the left ring finger is already the normal finger that
> >>presses
> >>the "s" key in home position on a qwerty keyboard, so that's no problem,
> >>ever. But twisting the hand around to get the baby finger to the left
of
> >>that finger down and rightward to the alt key, almost to the left edge
of
> >>the space bar? You actually do this?
> >>
> >>Isn't there any other way to invoke this interesting-sounding function
> >>without using this hotkey command? Isn't there simply a menu item in
the
> >>Jaws interface, for instance, or something like that? For nearly every
> >>function blind keyboard users love to have a hotkey for, there's a menu
> >>item
> >>somewhere, and the hotkey is just a shortcut for that command.
> >>
> >>Thanks.
> >>hteky aomrl xpect
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:53 AM
> >>Subject: Re: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
> >>
> >>
> >>To press insert/alt/s all at once this worked for me.
> >>on the left hand put the baby finger on left alt, the ring finger on s
and
> >>the baby finger on the right hand on the jaws key. Judith
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:27 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
> >>
> >>
> >>> I have a couple of comments about Edward's instructions.
> >>>
> >>> First, I went into Configuration Manager, Text Processing to see the
> >>options
> >>> Edward describes below for setting the mode of capitalization
> >>announcement.
> >>> Whereas his instructions say to set caps to be announced in all three
> >>> ways--by character, by word, and by line-- in actuality, this item is
a
> >>> combo box from which you can choose only one option at a time. I'll
> >>> paste
> >>> in the Word Help section below. And don't forget to save the Word.jcf
> >>file
> >>> where you're making this change before exiting Configuration manager,
or
> >>it
> >>> won't take.
> >>>
> >>> All that said, I really appreciate Edward pointing out this
possibility
> >>> because, even if I have to go through all that to turn it on and off
for
> >>> a
> >>> period of copy editing a Word document, it provides the caps
> >>> announcement
> >>> handily in line-by-line close editorial reading, still letting things
> >>> read
> >>> normally in Say All. That's my preference, of course; others may
prefer
> >>to
> >>> also use the option of having caps announced in Say All, as Edward
> >>> points
> >>> out on the Insert V temporary verbosity settings menu. Just a matter
of
> >>> what's helpful enough without driving me crazy to listen to.
> >>>
> >>> My second comment is that I was curious to see what those proofreading
> >>> capabilities were about, because, if an Insert key is involved, I
guess
> >>it's
> >>> a Jaws function rather than part of the Word spelling and grammar
> >>> program,
> >>> and I never heard about it. I can't figure out which topic it might
be
> >>> treated in within jaws help, though I did look. ord But when I tried
to
> >>> invoke it as instructed, I couldn't figure out how to press Insert,
Alt
> >>and
> >>> S together, no matter how hard I tried. Which fingers are used for
this
> >>by
> >>> most people?
> >>>
> >>> Okay, here's the bit from Jaws help about that text processing option.
> >>> If
> >>> you look at it, you'll see you have to sselect one, and only one item.
> >>> There isn't a set of check boxes or on and off toggles that enable you
> >>> to
> >>> employ all three methods at once.
> >>> (this is Jaws 6.0 I'm using)
> >>>
> >>> Indicate Capitalization
> >>>
> >>> Use this list to tell JAWS when to indicate capitalization. By
default,
> >>JAWS
> >>> only announces capitalization when reading by character or spelling
> >>> words
> >>or
> >>> lines.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:22 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Edward, you just gave the technical options that most of us
never
> >>> thought of. Judith
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Edward Marquette" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:11 AM
> >>> Subject: Easiest Way of Proof Reading in Word
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Here are some tips that actually work.
> >>> > 1. If you turn on spell-check as you type, Word, even with tons of
> >>> memory, will sometimes give you an out of memory error. Plus, on all
> >>> but
> >>> rocket fast machines, it slows down Word with JAWS running.
> >>> > 2. Control Plus Shift plus E does not bring up a dialog box with a
> >>> > list
> >>> of errors, but then I don't have spell-check as you type turned on.
On
> >>> my
> >>> system, control plus shift plus E turns track changes on and off in
> >>> Word,
> >>a
> >>> function I'm required to use often. So, that hot key choice was
> >>> unfortunate -- if the post was correct on that point.
> >>> > 3. Always, always put two spaces between a period (and the like)
and
> >>the
> >>> next sentence. Word generally will capitalize the first letter of the
> >>> sentence. I've never had a problem.
> >>> > 4. In Configuration Manager for JAWS, while inside Word, go to text
> >>> processing, check "read with character, word, and line." That way, as
> >>> you
> >>> read line-by-line through a document, you will hear capitalization.
> >>> > 5. When in Word, press JAWS key plus the letter V. Near the bottom
of
> >>the
> >>> list, there are a couple of capitalization options. Turn them on.
One
> >>> is
> >>> "say caps during say all." I canot remember the other.
> >>> > 6. If you don't hear the pitch different for capital letters,
either
> >>> > go
> >>> back to "voices" in the JAWS menu (JAWS key plus J) and increase the
> >>> pitch
> >>> differential for upper case. In the alternative, have JAWS say "cap"
> >>> for
> >>> capital letters.
> >>> > 7. Press alt plus insert plus S. Pick one of the proof reading
> >>> > schemes
> >>> and, at least initially, turn on training mode.
> >>> > 8. For words you know you frequently screw up, you can go to
autotext
> >>(in
> >>> the Word tools menu). There, you can enter NO in solid caps, putting
> >>> the
> >>> replacement word in lower case and upper case combined.
> >>> > 9. You could also use the JAWS dictionary. When on NO (solid
caps),
> >>> press JAWS key plus D. Add this word to the dictionary. To alert
you,
> >>type
> >>> in something like "no in solid caps." That's what JAWS will say
> >>> whenever
> >>> you type "NO" in solid caps.
> >>> > You don't have to do all of the above. Some will be more to your
> >>> > liking
> >>> than others.
> >>> > I wouldn't turn on the Word grammar checker if my life depended upon
> >>> > it.
> >>> > Good luck.
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