Re: Dell computer and JFW
- From: "chevelle" <chevelle33@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:41:00 -0500
Jaws has been freezing up on me way before I even put window-eyes on my
system. No I don't have Jaws and window-eyes running at the same time. I
have both Jaws 5.10, and window-eyes 4.5 wigh service pack 4. I have no idea
why Jaws freezes on me, but it seems to happen while internet related.
----- Original Message -----
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Dell computer and JFW
>I just ask the questions and make observations. I do know that some
> programs change the system files by the act of installation so there could
> be something going on here.
>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Dell computer and JFW
>
>
> david how is this possible, jfw to my knowledge only inserts the load jfw
> first into the registry.
> i do not think window eyes loads a bunch of stuff either in to the
> registry.
>
> bottom line is this unless you run both at the same time one should not
> cause an issue with the other, especially with the unified driver in
> place.
>
> make sure youhave jfw 4.51 or newer and the newer window eyes to prevent
> such issues.
>
> earlier than 4.51 versions of jfw do not support the unified driver.
>
> so if jfw is crashing a lot due to windows eyes on the system they should
> fix it, but truely doubt that is why jfw crashes.
> newer installations of programs no longermodify the system files and with
> no registry conflicts between the 2 that means its not possible for one
> to
> effect the other .
>
> unless their both running at the same time.
>
>
>
> bill
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> At 11:18 AM 11/20/2004, you wrote:
>>Interestingly, I hear all kinds of stuff from users of other scren readers
>>about how bad jaws is yet they still use jaws. Me thinks that perhaps
>>having the other screen reader on the pc is part of the cause of the
>>problems with jaws? I have had nothing with bad experiences with other
>>screen reader and while I would not go as far as to say that jaws is
>>perfect, for my money, it's the app of choice, the killer app of the blind
>>community where computers are concerned.
>>
>>Johnnie Apple Seed
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "chevelle" <chevelle33@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:09 AM
>>Subject: Re: Dell computer and JFW
>>
>>
>>I agree with you about window-eyes being more stable than jaws. I can't
>>tell
>>you how many jaws hangs and just freezes on me. Do you know how to use
>>window-eyes with a braille display really well? If so can you write me off
>>list at : chevelle33@xxxxxxxxxxx thanks. I am trying to use window-eyes.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Sun Sparkle" <sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 2:50 AM
>>Subject: Re: Dell computer and JFW
>>
>>
>> > Hey there folks,
>> > I know JAWS depends on Video cards but let me tell YA!
>> > the competition does not
>> > Window eyes does not matter what kind of video card you have.
>> > I use both and with JAWS I lose focus more then Window eyes
>> > anyway Window eyes is more stable then JAWS will ever be.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bill" <bill.cam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:20 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Dell computer and JFW
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> i hardly think recommending a 30 to 60 dollar video card is over doing
>> >> it
>> >> with respect to video cards and their importance in the system and its
>> >> overall performance.
>> >>
>> >> obviously being blind we do not need the best, thats why i never
>> >> recommended the 9700, the 9800, and the newest stuff where they
>> >> changed
>> >> the cards to a new modelling system.
>> >> thinknewest A T I is 800 xp.
>> >>
>> >> those are the choices of gamers, not the 9000 to 9600.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> though the 9600 is decent for games that do not heavily tax the
>> >> system.
>> >> so it might be a good choice for a blind person sharing with a sighted
>> >> person who likes games.
>> >> pro version is about 140 dollars.
>> >>
>> >> also consider the 7000 or 7500 cost over 25 what i recommend is not
>> > muchmore.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> walt i personally do not have an A T I card, so can only say that when
>> >> i
>> >> helped a friend build a system we never had those issues.
>> >>
>> >> [we went with the 9000 pro which has 400 mhz ram dak memory in a 64
>> >> meg
>> >> configuration. ]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> that may be due to the fact we bought the o e m version of the card
>> >> and
>> >> that may explain the lack of other software that caused issues.
>> >>
>> >> still thanks for the tip, may come in handi if i am helping somebody
>> >> with
>> > a
>> >> t i issues.
>> >>
>> >> realize this as well, to some degree del decides what gets installed
>> >> on
>> > the
>> >> system.
>> >> so complain if you have issues to del.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bill
>> >> p s A T I often goes back and upgrades older video cards, usually
>> >> with
>> >> faster memory.
>> >> memory speed and 2 d video performance are directly related.
>> >> some video cards now have memory speeds over 800 mhz.
>> >> so buy the card with faster memory and do not be suckerred in by cards
>> > with
>> >> 256 meg of ram.
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