Just one more, for clarification: I suddenly understand, Bill, that when you've been talking about using your peripheral vision in order to see or read something, you don't *mean* by looking away from the object of your interest, which would describe the way we normally think of the uses of our peripheral vision. As I'm sure you're aware, and in fact assuming me to know, too, the great majority of the photoreceptors in our retinas fall into an area that's called "peripheral," not just meaning the very outside edges of our visual fields, the way most people imagine. There's the mid-peripheral area of our visual field, and there's the far peripheral area, which is what most people are thinking of when they hear the word. So you're talking about looking directly at something and, if it's big enough and there's enough contrast, being able to more or less see it with your peripheral vision. This would apply to me, too. If I were to install a screen magnification program like what I started with when I became legally blind (my condition is progressive), then I'd have to blow up the text on this email so large that only a couple of characters would fit on the screen, and change the colors to white on black for contrast, and *then* I could "see" (meaning, then my remaining rod photoreceptor cells could perceive) those characters. But of course, this isn't realistic and generally practical. But it's in that sense that you're referring to seeing directly ahead with your non-central vision, isn't it. Well, a little of that peripheral vision is all I've got left, out at the far edges that most people actually imagine to be "peripheral vision." so you can imagine the visual effect I described. Full screen but blotchy and vague and with things missing all over the place that would reappear right in front of me if my macular vision was suddenly turned back on. Ah, this is a poignant topic. Loss, compensation, relinquishment. But I'm done, for my part. I've enjoyed the exchange. Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Powers" <powersradio@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Block Quote, on or off Daniel, Actually your explanation about peripheral vision was very good and I can accept it. No, when I read peripherally, it's the BIGGER print which would make up for the eye not seeing detail from the periphery. No, I can't read small print in my periphery either so what you are saying is right on. If I'm fixing a computer, for example, while I can see things to my side I would need a great deal of concentration to attempt looking at those things in the periphery as opposed to centrally. I can only get away with reading things to my side if the print is large enough so as to provide me with something that I don't have to count on real detail to see. Yeah, wr'e straying away from topic a bit too much here but it's a good education nonetheless. Take care, Bill -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx