Re: About Your Advice

You will see all the info that you normally see about an email message.  One 
more thing,  if you go to TOOLS OPTIONS AND READ MESSAGES     AND    uncheck 
the line that says "Automatically Expand Group messages" then you will only 
see the first message in that group or conversation. JAWS will also say 
Collapsed when you come to a Collapsed group.  You can Expand the group to 
see all messages or you can hit delete and you will be prompted to say 
whether you want to delete the entire group.  Give it a try you have nothing 
to loose and you can always go back if you don't like it.

RTV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: About Your Advice


Really?  I assumed that was meant just for usenet news group messages.  I'll
try it.  thanks.
ewssages.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Verity" <rtverity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: About Your Advice


The same thing can be acomplished in Outlook Express by going to VIEW
Current View then group  by conversation. you can then Collapse and Expand
as desired.

RTV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: About Your Advice


Hi, the easiest way is to use outlook verses express and sort all
messages by subject and so you see it in a tree like structure "your
advice you decide then to read the messages under that subject or not.

jim grimsby
msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx
email:  jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx
skype: jim.grimsby

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:01 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: About Your Advice


May I add that I think the main reason filtering messages in this way
wouldn't be useful is that the filter would have to use subject lines as
its
criteria, and you couldn't possibly predict every thread that you
wouldn't
want to read messages in, nor even how someone might write the subject
line
for that thread, etc.

Just imagine you're using this idea to avoid having to even see messages
you
don't care for.  Every time you encountered a few messages about
something,
say "Your Advice," that you decided wasn't to your taste, you'd have to
go
into the Outlook Express filter rules menu, a menu that's particularly
difficult for screen reader users to deal with without asking for help
over
and over again, spend time setting up a rule to channel every post with
the
subject line "Your Advice" into your Deleted Items folder.  And then,
after
all that, someone might change the wording of the subject line for some
reason and... In other words, this wouldn't be exactly the easiest way
to
deal with your annoyance, nor give you the sense of control that must
feel
as if it's slipping away when messages you don't like keep coming into
your
Inbox.

My take, and not everyone would agree:  It's only  an inbox message
list.
it's not hurting you.  by which I mean you do not& have to read anything
you
don't want to.  I know people have certain habits for dealing with their

mail, and I believe this is what's at fault.  Please let me clarify:

If you use the manual method of simply arrowing  down the list and
choose to
open messages one at a time, then you can just delete the ones whose
subject
lines don't appeal to you.  But please note:  I've noticed that a number
of
people on this list prefer to go through the new email in their Inboxes
not
this way, but by opening the first new message and then deleting from
within
it, whereupon the next new message opens, etc.  If this is how you go
through your new email, then the choice has been taken away from you
whether
to open a message and hear at least some of it before getting angry.
And if
that's what you find so offensive, then it would be better to go through
the
mail by just arrowing up and down your Inbox list, not deleting messages

from within so that the next message automatically opens and you have to

hear what you don't want to hear, and then feel overwhelmed and helpless
and
start getting angry.  Just don't do the mail that way.  Arrow down, open
a
message that interests you, hit Escape to let it close, then delete it
if
you want, then see what the next message is.  I mean the next message
listed, not its contents.  To those who are very attached to doing this
in
the more automated way and resent the suggestion, all I can say, in a
kindly, cheerful tone, is, look, it's just an extra press of the Escape
key
and then the Enter key this way.  It won't kill you.  It certainnly
won't
feel as bad as having a million emails you hate hearing keep opening and

talking to you.

Hope this helps.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: About Your Advice


Yes, he can create a message rule to have all messages he's not
interested
in go to another folder but then he has to be somewhat like a prophet!
How
do you know today what you will encounter tomorrow?  If he excludes a
certain topic, for example, like word today what happens if tomorrow or
next
week he encounters a word problem?  Judith
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: INTRACOM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:04 AM
  Subject: RE: About Your Advice


  Hi Judith!

  yah, you are right.  But, if he using Ms. Outlook or Outlook Express,
then, he can create a message rule for him to exclude all e mails that
he
don't want to go to his Inbox.  What do you think?

  Roden

  -----Original Message-----
  From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
  Behalf Of Judith Bron
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:36 AM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: About Your Advice


  Dave, Sometimes there is so much repetitiveness because not all people

read
  every word sent to their in box.  Many, like myself, delete those
messages
  whose subject doesn't apply to their needs.  This is the way all
support
  lists that I have been on operate.  If some one has in their subject
line
a
  subject that does not apply to your hard ware, software or program
that
you
  are not using you can just delete it, there is no reason to read
hundreds
of
  messages a day.  Judith
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "david b. dahlin" <msrdavidv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:11 AM
  Subject: Re: About Your Advice


  > James:
  >
  > Please respond to me.  I have been sending info but I have gotten no
  > response.
  > I am new on this list so I am struggling with protocol.
  > I see so much repetetiveness in messages and I am disappointed in
the
few
  > people who respond.
  > I end up with over 100 messages per day to look at and I don't have
that
  > much time.
  > I am looking for info re Norton, Jaws speech dropping off after a
lengthy
  > document and basic conversation re "what's new".
  > Please respond on the side if you have not deleted me.
  >
  > Dave
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "James" <james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:16 AM
  > Subject: Re: About Your Advice
  >
  >
  > > Yes, enough from you. And enough on this line of topic, too. If
you
want
  > > to bash each other, do it off-list. Because if you keep doing so
here,
  > > you'll be off list. Just ask... it's happened.
  > >
  > > James,
  > > List Admin
  > >
  > > At 03:12 AM 11/8/2005, you wrote:
  > >>Gee I like the way you put things. Freedom Science Fiction could
that
be
  a
  > >>new name? As to using a different screen reader have you ever
stopped
to
  > >>think about the fact that not all people might be rich like you so

they
  > >>can go out and buy just whatever they might want.
  > >>Maybe we should all say that everything works just fine and then
as
the
  > >>new versions come out there will be even more things that we can
say
  work
  > >>so perfectly. Wonder how long it would take to make that type of
perfect
  > >>product! Wonder what we could all do with that type of perfect
product.
  > >>On a serious note. I do not think that anyone on this list is
saying
  that
  > >>everything Freedom Scientific has done is wrong nor are they
saying
that
  > >>everything about Jaws is wrong. I thought this list was to help
each
  other
  > >>work out things pertaining to Jaws. If all we should talk about is
how
  > >>good it is then there would be no purpose for this list. Am truly
happy
  > >>for you that you are having no problems with Jaws in any version.
  > >>
  > >>From: "Chris Skarstad" <
  > >><mailto:toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  > >>To: <
  > >><mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > >>Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:14 PM
  > >>Subject: Re: strange loading and other things
  > >> > One bit of advice for all of you. If you don't like JAWS then
don't,
  > >> > freekin, use it!
  > >> > Switch to window-eyes and then all your little problems with
Freedom
  > >> > science fiction will be solved. I can't stand whiners!
  > >> > Ok, enough from me.
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