Re: About Your Advice

Thanks for the clarification.  I can appreciate your preference for the more 
fully-featured Outlook, but that very thing is what dissuaded me from 
messing with it when I explored it, once.  Most of its functions beyond what 
OE has weren't relevant to me at all, and I have to confess I found it so 
confusing to navigate, just trying to see if I might be able to use it in a 
simple way, that it seemed like a maddeningly labyrinth, and after a few 
attempts at different times, I just gave up and have been pretty content 
with OE since then.  In fact, your mention of this way of arranging incoming 
messages in the Inbox is the first capability of Outlook that's actually 
piqued my interest.

And I don't really care at all about deleting messages and all that stuff 
that others are so annoyed by.  So it's okay, but thanks for telling about 
that feature.  If I used Outlook, I'd probably use that feature, at least 
with my mailing list stuff.  Well, I guess it would sort all incoming mail 
into threads.  Whatever.  Sounds handy.

Thanks again.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: About Your Advice


Hi, yes first in my humble opinion outlook just is a better program then
outlook express.  And the function in outlook express does not work as I
described.  It works that way in express and saves me lot of time each
day.

jim grimsby
msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx
email:  jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx
skype: jim.grimsby

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:15 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: About Your Advice


hi,
Sounds helpful.  Do you mean that this function is available on Outlook
but
not on Outlook Express?  In other words, by "versus," you meant "rather
than, or "as opposed to"?
  Thanks.  Just want to be sure.
no
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: About Your Advice


Hi, the easiest way is to use outlook verses express and sort all
messages by subject and so you see it in a tree like structure "your
advice you decide then to read the messages under that subject or not.

jim grimsby
msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx
email:  jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx
skype: jim.grimsby

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:01 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: About Your Advice


May I add that I think the main reason filtering messages in this way
wouldn't be useful is that the filter would have to use subject lines as
its criteria, and you couldn't possibly predict every thread that you
wouldn't want to read messages in, nor even how someone might write the
subject line for that thread, etc.

Just imagine you're using this idea to avoid having to even see messages
you don't care for.  Every time you encountered a few messages about
something, say "Your Advice," that you decided wasn't to your taste,
you'd have to go into the Outlook Express filter rules menu, a menu
that's particularly difficult for screen reader users to deal with
without asking for help over and over again, spend time setting up a
rule to channel every post with the subject line "Your Advice" into your
Deleted Items folder.  And then, after all that, someone might change
the wording of the subject line for some reason and... In other words,
this wouldn't be exactly the easiest way to deal with your annoyance,
nor give you the sense of control that must feel as if it's slipping
away when messages you don't like keep coming into your Inbox.

My take, and not everyone would agree:  It's only  an inbox message
list. it's not hurting you.  by which I mean you do not& have to read
anything you don't want to.  I know people have certain habits for
dealing with their

mail, and I believe this is what's at fault.  Please let me clarify:

If you use the manual method of simply arrowing  down the list and
choose to open messages one at a time, then you can just delete the ones
whose subject lines don't appeal to you.  But please note:  I've noticed
that a number of people on this list prefer to go through the new email
in their Inboxes not this way, but by opening the first new message and
then deleting from within it, whereupon the next new message opens, etc.
If this is how you go through your new email, then the choice has been
taken away from you whether to open a message and hear at least some of
it before getting angry. And if that's what you find so offensive, then
it would be better to go through the mail by just arrowing up and down
your Inbox list, not deleting messages

from within so that the next message automatically opens and you have to

hear what you don't want to hear, and then feel overwhelmed and helpless
and start getting angry.  Just don't do the mail that way.  Arrow down,
open a message that interests you, hit Escape to let it close, then
delete it if you want, then see what the next message is.  I mean the
next message listed, not its contents.  To those who are very attached
to doing this in the more automated way and resent the suggestion, all I
can say, in a kindly, cheerful tone, is, look, it's just an extra press
of the Escape key and then the Enter key this way.  It won't kill you.
It certainnly won't feel as bad as having a million emails you hate
hearing keep opening and

talking to you.

Hope this helps.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judith Bron" <jbron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: About Your Advice


Yes, he can create a message rule to have all messages he's not
interested in go to another folder but then he has to be somewhat like a
prophet! How do you know today what you will encounter tomorrow?  If he
excludes a certain topic, for example, like word today what happens if
tomorrow or next week he encounters a word problem?  Judith
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: INTRACOM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:04 AM
  Subject: RE: About Your Advice


  Hi Judith!

  yah, you are right.  But, if he using Ms. Outlook or Outlook Express,
then, he can create a message rule for him to exclude all e mails that
he don't want to go to his Inbox.  What do you think?

  Roden

  -----Original Message-----
  From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
  Behalf Of Judith Bron
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:36 AM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: About Your Advice


  Dave, Sometimes there is so much repetitiveness because not all people

read
  every word sent to their in box.  Many, like myself, delete those
messages
  whose subject doesn't apply to their needs.  This is the way all
support
  lists that I have been on operate.  If some one has in their subject
line a
  subject that does not apply to your hard ware, software or program
that you
  are not using you can just delete it, there is no reason to read
hundreds of
  messages a day.  Judith
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "david b. dahlin" <msrdavidv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:11 AM
  Subject: Re: About Your Advice


  > James:
  >
  > Please respond to me.  I have been sending info but I have gotten no
  > response.
  > I am new on this list so I am struggling with protocol.
  > I see so much repetetiveness in messages and I am disappointed in
the few
  > people who respond.
  > I end up with over 100 messages per day to look at and I don't have
that
  > much time.
  > I am looking for info re Norton, Jaws speech dropping off after a
lengthy
  > document and basic conversation re "what's new".
  > Please respond on the side if you have not deleted me.
  >
  > Dave
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "James" <james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:16 AM
  > Subject: Re: About Your Advice
  >
  >
  > > Yes, enough from you. And enough on this line of topic, too. If
you want
  > > to bash each other, do it off-list. Because if you keep doing so
here,
  > > you'll be off list. Just ask... it's happened.
  > >
  > > James,
  > > List Admin
  > >
  > > At 03:12 AM 11/8/2005, you wrote:
  > >>Gee I like the way you put things. Freedom Science Fiction could
that be
  a
  > >>new name? As to using a different screen reader have you ever
stopped to
  > >>think about the fact that not all people might be rich like you so

they
  > >>can go out and buy just whatever they might want.
  > >>Maybe we should all say that everything works just fine and then
as the
  > >>new versions come out there will be even more things that we can
say
  work
  > >>so perfectly. Wonder how long it would take to make that type of
perfect
  > >>product! Wonder what we could all do with that type of perfect
product.
  > >>On a serious note. I do not think that anyone on this list is
saying
  that
  > >>everything Freedom Scientific has done is wrong nor are they
saying that
  > >>everything about Jaws is wrong. I thought this list was to help
each
  other
  > >>work out things pertaining to Jaws. If all we should talk about is
how
  > >>good it is then there would be no purpose for this list. Am truly
happy
  > >>for you that you are having no problems with Jaws in any version.
  > >>
  > >>From: "Chris Skarstad" <
  > >><mailto:toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  > >>To: <
  > >><mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > >>Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:14 PM
  > >>Subject: Re: strange loading and other things
  > >> > One bit of advice for all of you. If you don't like JAWS then
don't,
  > >> > freekin, use it!
  > >> > Switch to window-eyes and then all your little problems with
Freedom
  > >> > science fiction will be solved. I can't stand whiners!
  > >> > Ok, enough from me.
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