RE: AVG
- From: RAWest <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:08:33 -0400
I totally agree
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Bruce Toews
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:31 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: AVG
What a lot of blind people don't fully grasp, I think, is that to a sighted
person, graphical often equals simple. What makes things complex for us
makes things simple for them, and vice versa. Some of that is perception.
The mouse is perceived as an easier and quicker way to accomplish things,
but most sighted people who have learned to utilize keybard shortcuts will
tell you that they actually make things much faster.
Bruce
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On Fri, 16 May 2008, RAWest wrote:
> I just believe that sometimes software manufacturers Don't try to look at
> how there design will impact different types of users.
>
> I think that they believe that if it looks fancy and has allot of
different
> types of graphics then the software must be a better solution than the one
> that looks so simple to use.
>
> Robert
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:38 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: AVG
>
> Hi Robert,
> I agree completely, from the standpoint of blind accessibility. But I
don't
> think I'd be so sure that those interfaces you and I find difficult to
> manage with Jaws are necessarily some silly so-called "eye candy" that
looks
> spiffy to some designer but in fact is impossible for a sighted end user
to
> understand. I wouldn't assume that, I don't think, just out of resentment.
> But I was normally sighted for most of my life, so I really feel secure
> saying this. If you're coming from another perspective, I can see where it
> might be tempting to assume that the various difficult interfaces a blind
> person encounters daily are also confounding for other people, and that
> wouldn't likely be true. There are design issues that have to do with
> operational logic and ergonomics, but as issues they rarely overlap in a
> meaningful way with how a blind person might perceive them.
>
> Just saying that gently. Not trying to fight over anything. I agree with
> your preference for accessible interfaces, absolutely.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: AVG
>
>
> We are a small minority. People today think about pretty graphics not
about
> a few who might not be able to access there stuff.
>
> For me I always think that simple is the best way of going about things.
>
> I also believe that most people, the non techy types also like it to be
> simple. Just do what they have to without allot of nonsense.
>
> So now if AVG is going to go down the road of wanting a program that
> inhibits me from using it without allot of grief then I will just move on
to
> another program where performance is the #1 job and appearance is the
number
> 2 job.
>
> A company that takes the time to make there program accessible is going to
> always get my business.
>
> Robert
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:47 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: AVG
>
> Thanks. That is indeed what you're saying here. Thanks for explaining.
Seems
> like a curious business model. I wonder what the rationale is. And why
> they're "making" people convert ("migrate") to free edition version 8? Any
> idea why? Some profit motive I can't easily infer? Or maybe a more
generous
> motive, like that they have a new and better way of compiling virus
> definitions and the new method needed a new version of the program to
> accommodate that, and they had no idea that playing around with the
> interface just to give it a new look would inconvenience screen reader
> users?
>
> Tanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:26 PM
> Subject: RE: AVG
>
>
> That is what I am saying..
>
> They are only eliminating the free 7.5 version so people have to use there
> 8.0 version.
>
> Now from what I understand paid versions will still function. I have not
> heard of a cut off date for those yet.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:04 PM
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> Subject: Re: AVG
>
> Robert,
>
> Please fill in the blanks. By saying this, are you implying that your paid
> version of 7.5 not only is nicely accessible, but isn't about to be
> obsolesced by the company, as the free edition is?
>
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:43 AM
> Subject: RE: AVG
>
>
> I have a paid for version.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:50 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: AVG
>
> Or until AVG stops providing virus definition updates in less than two
> weeks...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:16 AM
> Subject: RE: AVG
>
>
> Hello
>
> Well if you want or need to get to things like the virus vault, or make
> adjustments to some of the default settings then it becomes a bit of a
pain.
>
> Other than that I will stay with AVG 7.5 Until AVG, or FS resolves the
> issue.
>
> Heard FS was working on a patch to fix the user interface issue.
>
> Robert
>
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> _____
>
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Jane Withers
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:47 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: AVG
>
>
> When you download the newer AVG free version and if everything is set up
to
> update and run automatically, why does it matter if JAWS does not guide
you
> through the interface?
>
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