RE: AVG

The fact is simply this AVG has said already a number of times that the user
interface problem is being looked in to.  Fs has said they are working on
the problem.  Everything else from AVG is accessible.  Now would someone
like to explain to me the problem here and why we are talking about it?  
I mean the problem is being fixed.  What more do you want?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of RAWest
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:22 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: AVG

I just believe that sometimes software manufacturers Don't try to look at
how there design will impact different types of users.

I think that they believe that if it looks fancy and has allot of different
types of graphics then the software must be a better solution than the one
that looks so simple to use.

Robert



 
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:38 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: AVG

Hi Robert,
I agree completely, from the standpoint of blind accessibility. But I don't
think I'd be so sure that those interfaces you and I find difficult to
manage with Jaws are necessarily some silly so-called "eye candy" that looks
spiffy to some designer but in fact is impossible for a sighted end user to
understand. I wouldn't assume that, I don't think, just out of resentment. 
But I was normally sighted for most of my life, so I really feel secure
saying this. If you're coming from another perspective, I can see where it
might be tempting to assume that the various difficult interfaces a blind
person encounters daily are also confounding for other people, and that
wouldn't likely be true. There are design issues that have to do with
operational logic and ergonomics, but as issues they rarely overlap in a
meaningful way with how a blind person might perceive them.

Just saying that gently. Not trying to fight over anything. I agree with
your preference for accessible interfaces, absolutely.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: AVG


We are a small minority.  People today think about pretty graphics not about
a few who might not be able to access there stuff.

For me I always think that simple is the best way of going about things.

I also believe that most people, the non techy types also like it to be
simple.  Just do what they have to without allot of nonsense.

So now if AVG is going to go down the road of wanting a program that
inhibits me from using it without allot of grief then I will just move on to
another program where performance is the #1 job and appearance is the number
2 job.

A company that takes the time to make there program accessible is going to
always get my business.

Robert





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-----Original Message-----
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Of Yardbird
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:47 PM
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Subject: Re: AVG

Thanks. That is indeed what you're saying here. Thanks for explaining. Seems
like a curious business model. I wonder what the rationale is. And why
they're "making" people convert ("migrate") to free edition version 8? Any
idea why? Some profit motive I can't easily infer? Or maybe a more generous
motive, like that they have a new and better way of compiling virus
definitions and the new method needed a new version of the program to
accommodate that, and they had no idea that playing around with the
interface just to give it a new look would inconvenience screen reader
users?

Tanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: AVG


That is what I am saying..

They are only eliminating the free 7.5 version so people have to use there
8.0 version.

Now from what I understand paid versions will still function.  I have not
heard of a cut off date for those yet.





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-----Original Message-----
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Of Yardbird
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: AVG

Robert,

Please fill in the blanks. By saying this, are you implying that your paid
version of 7.5 not only is nicely accessible, but isn't about to be
obsolesced by the company, as the free edition is?

Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: AVG


I have a paid for version.





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-----Original Message-----
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Of Yardbird
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:50 PM
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Subject: Re: AVG

Or until AVG stops providing virus definition updates in less than two
weeks...

----- Original Message -----
From: "RAWest" <rawest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: AVG


Hello

Well if you want or need to get to things like the virus vault, or make
adjustments to some of the default settings then it becomes a bit of a pain.

Other than that I will stay with AVG 7.5 Until AVG, or FS resolves the
issue.

Heard FS was working on a patch to fix the user interface issue.

Robert



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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jane Withers
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:47 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: AVG


When you download the newer AVG free version and if everything is set up to
update and run automatically, why does it matter if JAWS does not guide you
through the interface?

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