Didn't realize they had told you this was fixed. must have missed that part. I certainly agree with you then. As a programmer of less complex things then jaws, I recognize they don't seem to be doing their jobs to the fullist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Clendinen" <alanclendinen@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: Re: 6.1 causes Internet Explorer to crash Sean, I would agree with your comments if we were talking about an unknown bug, but this was already a documented issue, which I had brought to the attention of Freedom Scientific technical support. I was told that the programmers would include a fix for it in 6.1. I used to be a programmer at Kennedy Space Center, so I am familiar with proper software development procedures. When you are coding for a known bug, you must test the modified program to see if the problem has been resolved. Testing is an integral part of the programmer's job. You don't just generate code and deliver it to the end-user without testing it first. The FS tech person told me that the programmers included a fix for this specific bug, but it was only after I repeatedly asked him to test it on a computer, that he did so. That's when he discovered that it was still there in JFW 6.1. This is pretty strong evidence that nobody at FS bothered to test the modified program to verify that the known problem was resolved. Regards, Alan Sean wrote: The problem here is you're being given an honest answer. Programmers can't test everything,the user will find some bugs. The programmer should never say and tell tech support to say you have to test that out, unless it's bata or you can access the source code. There is a new feature allowing you to disable style sheets under the personalized settings. According to the little feature page, this may fix some problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Clendinen" <alanclendinen@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: 6.1 causes Internet Explorer to crash Hello listers, The bug in JFW 6.0 which causes Internet Explorer to crash on certain web sites has not been fixed in version 6.1. For example, if you go to http://www.optionsxpress.com Click on the log-in link, and after entering a user name and password (you can make it up for testing purposes) after you hit the secure log-in button, Internet Explorer will terminate and give an error message. After emailing FS tech support to ask if this bug was fixed in version 6.1, I received a vague reply. I was informed that it was worked on, and that I should download and test it out. (Gee...isn't testing the programmer's responsibility?) I wrote back to that FS tech, explaining that it would take me about 4 hours to download that 40 mb file, and I asked him to take a minute to test it out on the web site I mentioned above. He finally did test it, and discovered that the bug has not been fixed. No wonder 6.1 has all these bugs...the programmers are just writing the code and relying on the end-user to find the bugs! Alan -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx