[jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID

Hi marlon. I'm glad to see you've altered your current position on windows
not changing their hierarchy in realTime, because I'm not a big scripter
myself at all, but I could've sworn  a few times, I've seen them do exactly
this myself.

so glad to know I wasn't dreaming and that you concur that they can and do
alter their hierarchy sometimes.

HotSpot Clicker's spot prompter which relies on this, fails quite a bit due
to this kind of thing happening.

From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:07 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID


> partially right.
> Basicly, every window in an application is a child of another and may
> have one or more children and other windows at its level. The reazon
> why I won't explain more details here is that it has beem thorougly
> explained in almost all jaws scripting manuals what should be read by
> everyone wanting to script anything in JAWS.
> As for applications not changing hierarchy in realtine .. some of them
> do and I have learned it the right way * i assumed they didn't and I
> could not find the wanted solution untill I verified the hierarchy in
> different steps of its execution.
> Marlon
>
> 2008/6/27, James Panes <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > The hierarchy of a window or control does not change unless the
application
> > is recompiled and there have been some structural changes to the
program.
> >
> > The hierarchy of a window is its 1 based position within the current
layer
> > of windows. For some reason, the Home Row utility does not give this
> > information.
> >
> > By using the hierarchy of the window at each layer from the parent or
> > application window down, one can navigate quickly and reliably to any
window
> > or control within an application.
> > back to the
> > Regards,
> > Jim
> > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
> > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > "Everything is easy when you know how."
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jitendra" <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:19 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know about the  hierarchy, and have never used perhaps in my
> > scripts,so, where should I start from?
> > does win dig helps me out in it? and how.
> > and if it changes, then what should I do.
> > Thank you.
> > Marlon Brand&atilde;o de Sousa wrote: Does the hierarchy change? If it
> > doesn't then you will need to start from the app main window and make
all
> > theway to focus or read the desired window. If the hierarchy does change
> > thenit is a mather of tryals and errors untill you find a static
> > relationshipbetween any components upon you can base your criteria to
find a
> > given window. Marlon 2008/6/27, Jitendra <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>[1]:
> > Hello friends, if there is a software that changes its control id like
> > handles, how would you get text or any info out of it? and if there are
no
> > standard window classes, and it is designed like NLite and has win
classes:
> > WindowsForms10.Window.8.app.0.378734a is it made in java? or something
could
> > be done with it? that sometime presents a list view using same win
class,
> > andsometime some static text, and re-classing also doesn't work, what to
do
> > then? virtualising works, but if it is a list, or some read only type
box,
> > but jaws does not identifys it that way, and we need to scrol down or
up,
> > then, in user buffer is it possible? and if there are with same win
class,
> > there some items to be clicked, can we make some virtual place to select
one
> > item and then press enter, and the user is then switched to the valid
tab?
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