[jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID

I would definitively refer to it as outdated in that some of the
things that needed to be done by finding multiple windows, etc. can
now be done via something like clickObjectByName, for example. The
basics of scripting manual pretty much incorporates Ken's work + adds
the updated material.

On 6/30/08, Marlon Brand=E3o de Sousa <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> While that manual is old it is not outdated, since the basics
> explained there continues the same. What the manual actually misses
> are advansed features of JAWS which, by the way, could be understood
> only vy folks who already can understand what is going on in the
> basics.
> I do respect your opinion, and I have taken a look at the basics of
> scripting. I still do think that the manual I pointed is better for
> explaining newbies the basic stuff.
> I will try to send him the copy, plus if Jim Owmi is reading this I
> would ask him to do this since he was trying to make a chm of it.
> Anyways I will send it in a couple of hours, if it isn't already sent
> by that time.
> Marlon
>
>
> 2008/6/30, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> Jerry, that manual, while good, has been out of date *long ago. Go to:
>> www.fsdn.com
>> & download the basics of scripting manual from there.
>>
>> On 6/30/08, Jerry White, MBA <MidwayVI@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> OK, I give up!  I cannot the manual mentioned below on the archive list=
,
>>> =3D
>>> any
>>> ideas what to search for?  I have tried: Scripting Manual, Good =3D
>>> Scripting
>>> Manual, Always wanted to know about JAWS, about jaws, and just manual. =
 =3D
>>> I
>>> either get over 900 matches, or a few with no usable content. =3D20
>>>
>>> If nothing else, could anyone who has this manual e-mail it to me off =
=3D
>>> list?
>>>
>>> All help is appreciated!
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marlon Brand=3DE=
3o =3D
>>> de
>>> Sousa
>>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:01 AM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> We indeed consider helping out a important thing. Your learning
>>> however should be conducted by yourself and we are here to support you
>>> during it. Please go look in this list archive for jaws scripting
>>> manuals. The best one is called something like "everything you always
>>> wanted to know about jaws but didn't know who to ask". I know folks
>>> here have a copy of it and this is one thing that you really should
>>> read in order to understand what goes on scripting.
>>> Marlon
>>>
>>> 2008/6/30, Stan Bobbitt <SBOBBITT@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> yes, that example code would be very helpful to me as well, thank you =
=3D
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Stan
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:49 AM
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> perhaps jamal, he may need some example code of  just
>>>>> how he might go about this tracking though?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, can't your code keep track of how many ComboBoxes it has =3D
>>> found,
>>>>>> and consider the right one to be that number?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Jitendra
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:52:12 +0530
>>>>>> > From: Jitendra <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> > Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > yes, always third I think, as it is printed by winDig at the end =
=3D
>>> after
>>>>> th=3D3D
>>>>>> e
>>>>>> > other 2, (useless).
>>>>>> > Jamal Mazrui wrote: Isn't the ComboBox of interest always in the =
=3D
>>> same
>>>>>> > sequential order relative to the others, e.g., the second =3D
>>> ComboBox?
>>>>> Jamal=3D3D
>>>>>>  On
>>>>>> > Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Jitendra wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:34:37
>>> +0530
>>>>>> > From:Jitendra <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>[1] Reply-To:
>>>>>> > jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[2] To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[3] =3D
>>> Subject:
>>>>>> > [jawsscripts] Re: software with unfixed ctrl ID Thank you jacki, I
>>> only
>>>>> w=3D3D
>>>>>> ant
>>>>>> > to set my focus, to that combo box, and the statisstics I gave =3D
>>> does
>>> not
>>>>>> > change, Like: [1.10.1.1.1.5 WindowsForms10.COMBOBOX.app.0.378734a]
>>>>> width,
>>>>>> > hite and any other thing. so, now what. this window has no name or
>>>>> prompt=3D3D
>>>>>> , I
>>>>>> > can find it by the class name, but the app has 3 combo boxes. and =
=3D
>>> for
>>>>> sur=3D3D
>>>>>> e,
>>>>>> > they all have their own properties like this one. the control id
>>>>>> > changes
>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> > every app start. Thank, hope this info is enough, Glad to tell if =
=3D
>>> you
>>>>> wan=3D3D
>>>>>> t.
>>>>>> > Jackie McBride wrote: Jitendra: U know what? Perhaps it'd be a lot
>>>>> better=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D3D
>>>>>> > ifyou'd tell us precisely what you're trying to do here. This =3D
>>> looks
>>>>>> > like
>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> > .netapp, from the type of window u gave in your last post. If what
>>>>> you're
>>>>>> > trying to do is find it, then that could be as simple a matter as
>>> doing
>>>>> a
>>>>>> > findWindow, using the appMainWindow as your starting point, or a
>>>>>> > clickObjectByName, if in fact it has 1. Doug Lee's bx toolbox can =
=3D
>>> be
>>>>> used=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D3D
>>>>>> > toobtain lots &lots &lots &*lots! of info regarding just about
>>> anything
>>>>> u
>>>>>> > wannaknow about an app, its window hierarchy, whatever. On =3D
>>> 6/27/08,
>>>>> Jiten=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D3D
>>>>>> > dra <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>[4][1] wrote: Hello, and thank you =
=3D
>>> all,
>>>>> an=3D3D
>>>>>> d
>>>>>> > Jamal sir, this is the info taken from the winDig output file, =3D
>>> now,
>>> How
>>>>>> > should =3D3D3D I use this number and with which functions? Thank =
=3D
>>> you. or
>>> it
>>>>> i=3D3D
>>>>>> s
>>>>>> > possible to usethese x or y info, or hite or width info to locate =
=3D
>>> that
>>>>> co=3D3D
>>>>>> mbo
>>>>>> > box? and what if this number changes in next winDig file if I =3D
>>> creat.
>>>>>> > [1.10.1.1.1.5 WindowsForms10.COMBOBOX.app.0.378734a]
>>> alias=3D3D3D3DComboBox
>>>>>> > id=3D3D3D3D525072 selec=3D3D3D ted=3D3D3D3D1 x=3D3D3D3D7% y=3D3D3D=
3D27% =3D
>>> width=3D3D3D3D11%
>>>>> height=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D2% Jamal
>>>>>> > Mazrui wrote: Yes, WinDig
>>>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/wdsetup.exe[5][2][1]
>>>>>> > canhelp you understand the hierarchy of controls in an application
>>>>> window=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D2E
>>>>>> > Ituses an outline numberi=3D3D3D ng scheme to communicate this, =
=3D
>>> e.g., the
>>>>> con=3D3D
>>>>>> trol
>>>>>> > at the level 1.2.3 means th=3D3D3D e third control contained in th=
e =3D
>>> second
>>>>> co=3D3D
>>>>>> ntrol
>>>>>> > of the top-level window tha=3D3D3D t was analyzed. Jamal On Fri, 2=
7 =3D
>>> Jun
>>>>> 2008,
>>>>>> > Jitendra wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Ju=3D3D3D n 2008 17:49:41 +0530 From=
:
>>>>>> > Jitendra
>>>>>> > <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>[6][3][2] Reply-To:
>>>>>> > jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[7][4][3] To:
>>>>>> > jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[8][5][4]Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: =3D
>>> software
>>>>> wit=3D3D
>>>>>> h
>>>>>> > unfixedctrl ID I don't know about the hierarchy, and have never =
=3D
>>> used
>>>>> perh=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D3D
>>>>>> > aps in my scripts,so, where should I start from? does win dig =3D
>>> helps me
>>>>> ou=3D3D
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> > init?and how. and if it changes, then what should I do. Thank you.
>>>>> Marlon
>>>>>> > Brand&atilde;o de Sousa wrote: Does the hierarchy change? If it
>>> doesn't
>>>>> t=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D3D
>>>>>> > hen you will need to start from the app main window and make all
>>> theway
>>>>> t=3D3D
>>>>>> o
>>>>>> > fo=3D3D3D cus or read the desired window. If the hierarchy does =
=3D
>>> change
>>>>> thenit=3D3D
>>>>>>  is a
>>>>>> > math=3D3D3D er of tryals and errors untill you find a static
>>>>> relationshipbetw=3D3D
>>>>>> een
>>>>>> > any components upon you can base your criteria to fin=3D3D3D3D d a=
 =3D
>>> given
>>>>> wind=3D3D
>>>>>> ow.
>>>>>> > Ma=3D3D3D rlon 2008/6/27, Jitendra
>>> <jeet.invincible@xxxxxxxxx>[9][6][5][1]:
>>>>> H=3D3D
>>>>>> ello
>>>>>> > friends, =3D3D3D if there is a software that changes its control i=
d =3D
>>> like
>>>>> hand=3D3D
>>>>>> les,
>>>>>> > how would y=3D3D3D ou get text or any info out of it? and if there=
 =3D
>>> are
>>>>> n=3D3D3D3D=3D3D
>>>>>>  o
>>>>>> > standard window classes, and it is designed like NLite and has win
>>>>> classe=3D3D
>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D
>>>>>> > s: WindowsForms10.Window.8.app.0.378734a is it made in java? or
>>>>> something
>>>>>> > co=3D3D3D=3D3D3D3D uld be done with it? that sometime presents a l=
ist =3D
>>> view
>>>>>> > using
>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> > winclass,andsometime some static text, and re-classing also =3D
>>> doesn't
>>>>> work,
>>>>>> > wh=3D3D3Dat to =3D3D3D3D do then? virtualising works, but if it is=
 a =3D
>>> list, or
>>>>> som=3D3D
>>>>>> e read
>>>>>> > onl=3D3D3D y typebox=3D3D3D3D , but jaws does not identifys it tha=
t =3D
>>> way, and
>>> we
>>>>> n=3D3D
>>>>>> eed to
>>>>>> > scro=3D3D3D l downor up, then, in user buffer is it possible? and =
if =3D
>>> there
>>>>> ar=3D3D
>>>>>> e
>>>>>> > withsam=3D3D3D e win class=3D3D3D3D , there some items to be click=
ed, =3D
>>> can we
>>>>> make=3D3D
>>>>>>  some
>>>>>> > virtual p=3D3D3D lace to select =3D3D3D3D one item and then press =
=3D
>>> enter, and
>>>>>> > the
>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>> user is
>>>>>> > then switche=3D3D3D d to the valid tab=3D3D3D3D ? Thank you. Jiten=
dra.
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