[jawsscripts] Re: silence in between Saying two messages

I often want shorter pauses, so customizability of this would be
interesting to me, though not a high priority.  As for whether FS's
failure to implement new scripting features being, or not being
explained adequately by my supply-and-demand comparison, I can't say
when the line is crossed between "We can't do it" and "We don't want
to do it."  I just want people to realize that the supply-and-demand
issue is real and is part of the equation, like it or not.  My message
was not actually an emotional outburst, though it apparently looked
like one to some.

And finally, as to the effect of Window-Eyes' scriptability on JAWS,
that will admittedly be interesting to see.  The two products seem
markedly different in feel, and this will probably remain true even if
differences in functionality are reduced by this new power in WE.  I
think this WE update will have effects on JAWS and on its position in
the market, though I can't say how fast.  I also think this change in
WE effectively proves that scriptability was, from day 1, the right
design choice for JAWS because of the flexibility it added to the
product.  It is a feature often misinterpreted, though probably not so
often by members of this list. <grin>

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:35:43AM +1000, Geoff Chapman wrote:
hmm, regarding this silencing and pausing issue, and perhaps touching upon
some
of what jamal has talked about re sometimes getting
distinct lack of communication/feedback
from the fs company as regards user suggestions, - or at least not as often
as one might wish,
(by the way I am afraid
myself that I'd have to agree with jamal's view that I too see  this as
having
regretably seemingly become rather an unfortunately entrenched pattern with
fs, and
not something I necessarily feel that's sufficiently or adequately accounted
for by
pure supply and demand time prioritization alone, - Another well known
scripter whom I sent jamal's comments to for his input concurred, and
sermized himself, that fs may not really turn this around until they
actually begin
to feel it's effects in their hip pockets,)
Which they may soon with window eyes scripting on the horizon, so that would
be great,
well, re pausing and indexing control,
I myself have felt for a very long time, that I've wanted far greater user
customization as to pause lengths after various punctuation marks,
independently controllable from speech rate settings. of course initialy
they should be dragged along with them in some kind of relative fashion, as
they are now, but, I've felt for a long time, that a really desirable
customization feature, would be to be able to have this more user
controllable upon
demand.  I've always thought compared to the old dectalk speech synth, that
eloquence just rabbited on far too quickly after it's punctuation marks,
particularly ends of sentences,
and
sometimes of course, doesn't pause at all at various punctuation marks,
if you have the mode set to
things other than none,
which should also be user customizable in my view.
has anyone else ever thought this?  I think for studying purposes, that
after some punctuation marks, some users would greatly benefit from having
just a tad more time gap between the finishing of one sentence or part of a
sentence let's say, and it's next bit, for brain processing of the
information etc.
I just wondered if I was the only one who ever had wished this?

From: "David Farough" <David.Farough@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:43 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: silence in between Saying two messages


> I found that when I tested this using eloquence and the SAPI5 scansoft
> synthe, that the silence was much longer using SAPI5 synthesizers.
>
> My eloquence time worked out to be slightly more than 2 seconds and the
> Scansoft silences were closer to 20 seconds
>
> My eloquence speech rate is set to   90 and my scansoft rate is 13
> which is approximately 65%.
>
> David Farough
> Application Accessibility Coordinator/coordonateur de l'accessibilit?
> Information Technology Services Directorate /
> Direction des services d'information technologiques
> Public Service Commission / Commission de la fonction publique
> Email / Courriel:  David.Farough@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Tel. / T?l:    (613) 992-2779
> >>> "Smith, Alice A.   HQ DCO" <Alice.A.Smith@xxxxxxx> 02:19 PM Friday,
> July 18, 2008 >>>
> Sina,
>
> I wrote similar code using Delay. It works but I didn't time it with a
> stopwatch.
> How did you arrive at  the factors of 28 for Rate and 6 for Silence?
> How accurate is it?
>
> Alice
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Sotudehnia
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:17 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] silence in between Saying two messages=20
>
> Hi friends,
> I think the following can be a solution for=20
>
> Saying two messages with a specific period of silence in between
>
> I sent it for test and I was waiting to get feedback on test result
> from
> any one who is interesting.  But I did not get any answer yet.=20
>
> I want to know does this one work on same way with different computer
> speed and TTS as it works on my computer?
>
> In this program, (That is my first time Scripting in jaws), I am using
> Pause
>
> function to provide two type of delay.
>
> One delay to provide enough time that is required to speech the first
>
> string, and second delay for requested silence time after reading the
> first
>
> string.
>
> because the speed rate of voice is assigned by user, I get this value
> by
>
> using the following function that return the current voice speech
> rate:
>
> GetSettingInformation (V_RATE,VCTX_GLOBAL , MinRate, MaxRate)
>
> The first and second parameters are two Constant which are coming from
>
> hjconst.jsh" header file. (notice to, the "Include" statement before
> start
>
> of script). and the third and forth parameters ar two variable which
> get
> the
>
> minimum and maximum of the speed rate of Voice Context or any things
> that
>
> is requested by the two first parameters.
>
> after that I am finding the length of the first string. Then in a
> formula
>
> all this values are combining together with silence time and two other
>
> constant numbers.
>
> The number 28 is for balancing the Rate and the number 6 is for
> balancing
>
> the requested silence time.
>
> All of them make the total number of the time that we are using the
> Pause
>
> function.
>
> As I said, the calculation is not very accurate but it works for the
>
> different string length. As you all know, it is easier to convert this
>
> script to a function. In this case the function has to include two
>
> parameters, FirstString and SilenceTime. and the return value, can be
> an
>
> integer to show if the function end by itself or someone hit a key to
> end it
>
> manually.
>
> the function "StopSpeech ()", is good for make any speech off before,
> and
>
> after the using saystring command..
>
> Please let me know if it works for you. I Will be happy to get any
>
> feedback.
>
> ----------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> include "hjconst.jsh"
>
>
>
>
>
> Script TestScripting ()
>
> var int count
>
> var int CurrentRate, int MinRate, int MaxRate, int StrLen, int
> SilenceSecond
>
> var string FirstString, String secondString
>
> let SilenceSecond =3D 3
>
> let FirstString=3D"The Script Manager is a JAWS script editing program
> with
>
> all the features necessary for you to create scripts"
>
> let secondString=3D"So, continue Talking."
>
> let CurrentRate=3DGetSettingInformation (V_RATE,VCTX_GLOBAL , MinRate,
>
> MaxRate)
>
> let StrLen=3DStringLength (FirstString)
>
> let count =3D (StrLen / CurrentRate +1) * 28 + SilenceSecond * 6
>
> StopSpeech ()
>
> saystring(FirstString)
>
> While (count > 0) && (not IsKeyWaiting ())
>
> Pause ()
>
> let count =3D count - 1
>
> EndWhile
>
> StopSpeech ()
>
> SayString (secondString)
>
> EndScript
>
> Regards,
>
> Sina Sotudehnia
>
> Independent Insurance Advisors Group
>
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