[jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws

Hi Don.

no, I didn't get a nibble on that one yet. figured noone knew anything, or
people just got busy etc. no problem. i usually persist more than once if I
reeeeally want an answer on stuff, <smile,>
, as I just know how busy people get, and sometimes stuff just falls through
the cracks somewhat eh.
So thanks for responding.

I would agree with you that  I bet too that stuff got heavily debugged to
make everything as sweet/accessible/tabbable as it now is in ITunes.  The
whole MSAA deal though remains a bit of a mystery to me, and judging by the
response to my question, perhaps it does to many others of us as well.
i kinda  really think it would be a reeeeally wortwhile nut to crack though,
do not you?  like even though this is obviously a scripting list, and it's
everyone here's business to try and build scripts to make things talk better
than they might otherwise do, knowing how to harness the power of what's
built into MSAA and Jaws themselves, for more transparent, Out-of-box
accessibility, surely would be a pretty cool skill to master, do you not
think?.
way beyond me of course but, ... yeah.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:29 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws


> Hi Jeff,
>
> I had not seen any responses to your question.  Did you get an answer yet?
>
> I have downloaded old reference material from Microsoft.  I don't have any
> experience in writing JAWS scripts that depend on MSAA.  I get the feeling
> that JAWS itself is supposed to do most of the heavy work in this area.
> There are JAWS event functions to get called if MSAA changes status or
sends
> alerts I believe.  I don't think they needed any special scripts to make
> iTunes work.  I am sure that they had to change / debug parts of their
MSAA
> code to  make FS and Apple consistent in their interpretation of MSAA.
>
> Don Marang
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:34 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws
>
>
> > speaking on this subject further, has anyone out there perhaps put
> > together,
> > from their studies into this subject of how MSAA, and it's exposed
> > controls,
> > or whatever they're called, relate to jaws' hooks? and in what
> > circumstances
> > and priorities jaws might prefer any MSAA information any given element
> > might have over some other attribute etc, in order to decide what and
when
> > to render information etc?
> >
> > I'd reeeally love to know if there's yet been some comprehensive
> > documentation, or even anyone's scanty notes who may've done all the
hard
> > slogging to research this for their project, might be available for us
to
> > get ahold of?
> > I'm sure if anyone would care to share them, they would be of great
value
> > to
> > many of us in the group, even if it had to be acompanied by all the
> > normative disclaimers of, "this isn't official but it's what I think
I've
> > gleaned in my research," blah blah blah type thing?
> >
> > for example, In Itunes 8, i'd very much like to learn, exactly what
apple
> > and jaws are doing "under the hood," so to speak, in it's current
> > renderings
> > and identification of it's various elements within the ITunes interface
> > etc.
> > given that without jTunes installed, jaws has no actual defined scripts
> > for
> > ITunes 8, that I'm aware of.
> >
> > there's all kinds of things that are going on in there now that I'd love
> > to
> > understand how stuff has been made to speak, as it now does with
> > apparently
> > out-of-box venilla jaws , simply through MSAA monipulation/programming.
> >
> > For example, some of the tabStops now in there, actually read
information,
> > like elapsed time, of a playing track, then when spacebar is hit, this
> > alters it and causes the total time of the track to be spoken upon
> > spacebar
> > having been presssed, toggling it's output function. stuff like that?
> >
> > thoughts anyone?
> >
> > geoff c.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Sean Farrow" <sean.farrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:44 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] msaa and jaws
> >
> >
> >> Hi:
> >> I am in the process of helping an application vendor to improve thee
> >> accessibility. If the vendor implements MSAA, do any settings need to
be
> >> made within jaws, or will JAWS use MSAA/IAccessible2 by default.
> >>
> >> Any help appreciated.
> >>
> >> Sean.
> >>
> >>
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