[jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts Updates
- From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:59:58 -0500
What would you say if Baum ask you to help pay the fee to FS to get a new
64-bit driver signed?
Gary King
w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: "Zolo, Brian C Mr CIV US DISA GS271" <Brian.Zolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts Updates
> Hi, Gordon, I'm Brian Zolo from Gahanna, Ohio, USA, I'm with the
> Department of Defense here in Columbus, Ohio, I've been following this
> tread, I'm using a Brailliant 40 just fine with Jaws 11 once I got the new
> driver from Freedom Scientific. I spoke with Eric Damery about this issue
> because I'd been told by humanware technical support that they were
> recommending that users not upgrade to Jws 11 because Baum wasn't on board
> with the whole signed driver issue. Freedom Scientific does have a driver
> for the Brailliant and Braille connect displays, right now it's only for
> 32-bit operating systems, that's a pain as I've got a Dell laptop with
> Vista 64-bit on it. If there's interest, I'll be glad to get in touch
> with Eric Damery to see where things are with Baum on this issue if you
> folks would like. Baum is the manufacturer for the Brailliant displays,
> we really need to put pressure on them for change to be made as well.
> Thanks so much, look forward to hearing from you soon,
> feel free to e-mail me off list at bzolo1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, if you're on
> skype, my skype id is brianzo1.
>
> Brian C. Zolo
> DISN Customer Contact Center Support Services
> E-mail: brian.zolo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Phone number: commercial: 614-692-7124, DSN: 850-7124
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Gordon.Luke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 16:03
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts
> Updates
>
> Hi
>
> I unfortunately though am a braille user of the Humanware Brailliant 80
> display which is not supported and the stance is really getting me
> annoyed.
> I'm not sure whether to moan more to FS or HumanWare. In the end it's me
> the customer who suffers. This weekend though I am going to give
> WindowEyes a serious go to see how it does perform for me. Trouble is
> I've
> invested a lot of time with Jaws in learning how to work the application
> and to make scripting modifications for my applications and what's more I
> do like the product. I also love the Brailliant displays. However
> whenever I report a bug I hear absolutely nothing from FS and that's
> really
> poor in my book.
>
> Appologies for the rant.
>
> Gordon Luke
> Capita IT (CAIM)
>
>
>
> Øyvind Lode
> <oyvind.lode@lyse
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> Subject
> [jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail
> and Other JAWS Scripts Updates
>
> 21/05/2010 16:49
>
> Please respond to
> jawsscripts@freel
> ists.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don:
> I agree!
> I'm a Braille user and the new driver signing policy is indeed concerning
> me.
> Papenmeier has signed the deal so my Braille display works great with JAWS
> 11 64-bit though.
> I don't like the way FS is going and I wish I had a alternative to JAWS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donald Marang
> Sent: 21. mai 2010 04:55
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts
> Updates
>
> I think I will give it a few days first to see if my email to support gets
> escalated. Yes. Competition is the key. I am afraid FS is moving toward
> litigation rather than inovation. Actually, that is not entirely correct,
> but it is a great line. I am just concerned over their new braille driver
> signing stance, even though I am not a braille user.
>
> Don Marang
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:57 PM
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts
> Updates
>
>> don, have you communicated these concerns to eric damary or John Carson
>> directly? If you haven't, I would. you may get some joy this way, as I
>> believe you have a way of putting things, which just might get through?
>> especially now that they've actually got some competition in this space
> re
>> windowEyes?
>> what do people think.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:19 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts
>> Updates
>>
>>
>>> no,
>>>
>>> the scripts do get circulated and used, its just that it's not generally
>>> done by freedom scientific!
>>>
>>> my site is one place where this can be done, and if it's a major
>>> scripting
>>> success, freedom has been known to add it to an update, I think one of
>>> the
>>> folks out here, Jamal, has had scripts he worked on go into a FS update.
>>>
>>> don't give up on one persons troubles!
>>>
>>> inthane
>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>> "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>>> custom made computers and peripherals to fit your needs!
>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:14 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts
>>> Updates
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, there go any ideas I had of attempting to get into JAWS
> scripting.
>>>> *grin*
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>> sleeves,
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donald Marang
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:32 PM
>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Windows Live Mail and Other JAWS Scripts Updates
>>>>
>>>> The following story points out a critical weakness in the JAWS
>>>> Scripts Architecture! There should be a better process for
>>>> updating user scripts when a JAWS update is released! I know
>>>> some of you have made this easier for your particular scripts.
>>>> This is something I would expect Freedom Scientific to resolve
>>>> in general. However, I see little interest in scripting
>>>> support from Freedom Scientific.
>>>> I finally got Windows Live Mail to work acceptably with JAWS
>>>> 11! I uninstalled the previous JAWS 11, including user
>>>> settings and scripts, but left the shared components. Then I
>>>> downloaded and installed the new 1447 version. My previously
>>>> unresolved issues went away! Well, most of them. There are
>>>> still annoying issues, which I expect happen for all of you;
>>>> lack of auto completion feedback when typing into the To field,
>>>> no first letter navigation of the folder list, and not all of
>>>> the hotkeys to read or edit the headers work correctly. With
>>>> the new update more of these keys now work, like the Date and
>>>> To fields, with Alt + 2 and Alt + 3, respectively. The Subject
>>>> field, Alt + 6, has always worked. Others, most notably, the
>>>> From field, Alt +1, still does not work.
>>>>
>>>> I have a lot of scripts that I have written and also use
>>>> several scripts created by other JAWS users. Some are merged
>>>> using container files with the default scripts and other
>>>> applications such as IE and Firefox. Previously, I had
>>>> reinstalled all of these scripts over the old installation, I
>>>> made sure all of the jsb binary files were updated. Evidently,
>>>> that was not enough! I suppose some of the associated files
>>>> like jsh header files never got updated until I completely
>>>> removed my user settings folder!
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion is that until Freedom Scientific or a third party
>>>> figure out how to properly update the scripts and their support
>>>> files, using user created scripts for JAWS is too cumbersome
>>>> for the average user! Heck, it had me stumped for almost a
>>>> year! This should really be addressed!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all for previously attempting to figure this out!
>>>>
>>>> Don Marang
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