[jawsscripts] Re: Troubles with iTunes in Win XP
- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:32:53 -0700
Ah yes, the iTunes store. What a mess. I experienced the same type of window
with Rhapsody, and it works way better that the iTunes store and doesn't
lose your place.
I am hoping the get through to them, but patience is all I can have at this
point.
John
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[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:18 AM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Troubles with iTunes in Win XP
hmmmm, well, my understanding would've been, that their motivation to make
this a good user-experience under windows, could, possibly, have stemmed
from the fact, that my understanding was that macs only still make up a
teency percentage of the amount of people actually using itunes! either to
buy stuff from their store, or to transfer stuff to their IOS devices! and
that many of them are blind/vision impaired! So I'd have thought that would
have provided, and I think must've to some degree, sufficient economic
motivation to care about it for vips. They own/buy ipods/iPhones and music
too. and a great many more would under windows than on macs with voiceover.
would it not be so?
I realize you can use the store directly on those devices, and thanks
Trouble for pointing out that's primarily how you get around the dodgy
performance of iTunes store under windows.
But, if it wasn't dodgy, and worked well, you'd enjoy utilizing it there too
would not you?
I know that traditionally, windoweyes has been much more in their developer
ears though than FS have been, though last time I tried the iTunes store on
Windoweyes, which admittedly was some time back now, it too had issues with
whole pages rendering to us via speech, what was no longer actually
onscreen, thus the whole virtual buffer refresh deal again.
Somehow they've implemented things differently than the browsers do, where
you can reliably, well mostly reliably, arrow to buttons and links in
virtual pc mode, hit enter on them, and it tightly integrates with
activating that button/link in the real world. This is not so much the case
with jaws under iTunes. and I find I may often have to either:
(a.) turn off the virtual cursor all together with insert+Z, and try and
locate the particular link/edit box with the realWorld tab key, with
virtual cursor turned off, (coz even leaving it on and doing that rather
than arrowing to them doesn't seem to always do it. and/or
(b.) do a bit of the, not oft utilized, Control+Insert+Delete function,
which attempts to route the RealWorld application focus to the position of
the Virtual cursor. That sometimes works also.
And a bit of judicious Jaws+Escape manual screen OSM refreshing along the
way.
oh, and usage of place temporary marker before clicking a button to preview
songs, goes a long way in helping relocate one's place too.
grrr!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:21 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Troubles with iTunes in Win XP
> It does work with voice over. However, the
> windows version they are not to worried with,
> because they have few programs for windows. So
> they just make it work with windows. It is up to
> the makers of windows screen readers to handle that job.
>
> At 07:32 AM 3/13/2012, you wrote:
>>Yeh, but how does it run on a Mac with VoiceOver? I'm sure they test it
>>on their own hardware with their own OS and their own screen reader.
>>I've never been sure what Apple's motivation was to spend resources
>>making iTunes accessible on Windows when they could just respond by
>>telling everyone it works with VoiceOver.
>>
>>On 13/03/12 06:19, Geoff Chapman wrote:
>> > Far out! Apple seriously drive me insane with what they're always dooen
>> > to
>> > break itunes accessibility with nearly every version they bring out!
>> > don't
>> > you reckon John?
>> >
>> > it's got a serious refreshing conflict/focus syncronization
>> > difficulties
>> > already, with jaws I reckon, in the itunes store, which makes using it
>> > a
>> > total pain in bottom difficulty, which either FS or apple reeeally
>> > should
>> > attend to in my view, fix, and now they've broken preferences dialog?
>> > my
>> > goodness.
>> > nobody obviously tests each release for this stuff before they release
>> > it
>> > eh. why on earth not! I cry. in the
>> wilderness no doubt. has anyone ansered
>> > you on this email adress you've got here below before John? Do they
>> > even
>> > monitor it realistically?
>> > I'll jolly email them as well if so!
>> > I've kept itunes 10.3 and jaws 11 on this laptop here for exactly these
>> > reasons! 10.4 they messed around with the tab
>> order of where the search box
>> > occurred, and then tried to do automatic jumps of focus after search
>> > has
>> > completed into the iTunes store, thus meanig that if you hit f6 then,
>> > when
>> > it'd done that, in the midst of it trying to get itself together re the
>> > refreshing conflict, you'd crash the thing sooo jolly easily!
>> >
>> >
>> > grrr!
>> > sorry for the rant peeps.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:26 AM
>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Troubles with iTunes in Win XP
>> >
>> >
>> >> This is going to sound a little strange, but now in the preferences
>> >> window,
>> >> when you tab, it skips all the objects contained within that window.
>> >> It
>> >> only
>> >> happens under the first two tabs, but the rest of them work fine. This
>> >> problem started with iTunes 10.6 and happens with or without the blind
>> >> tunes
>> >> scripts.
>> >> My question is, can I walk through focusing objects if I know the
>> >> window
>> >> handle of the preference window? I was thinking for XP systems, I
>> >> could
>> >> create a tab and shift tab key script that will walk through the
>> >> objects,
>> >> but I don't see any function that could do this. I am really at a loss
>> >> as
>> >> to
>> >> what I can do for XP systems other than email accessibility@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> and
>> >> pray they hear my message.
>> >>
>> >> The tab key as it is in XP just jumps to SDM controls though you can
>> >> change
>> >> the tabs just fine. I am guessing apple removed the tab index somehow.
>> >>
>> >> What should I do? If I can fix it for XP systems, I'd like to because
>> >> apple
>> >> most likely isn't going to do something for the old XP operating
>> >> system.
>> >>
>> >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> I am using the focusChangedEventX to work with the object elements. If
>> >> I
>> >> use
>> >> the objectStateChanged Event iTunes goes nuts and doesn't respond.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >>
>> >> John Martyn
>>
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