[jawsscripts] Re: TEST installer for JLS Utilities
- From: Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:55:19 -0800
The reason NVDA doesn't use something better than espeak is that there
isn't anything better that is also free. NVDA can use sapi5 voices if
you have them, though not nearly to the degree that the commercial
packages do. For instance NVDA is limited to using just a single
voice, rather than being able to use different voices as indicators of
capitalization and such. I am actually somewhat surprised that
progress on the synth side is so slow, but OSS synth AFAIK Are you
aware of better packages?simply remains atrocious.
On 3/30/10, Geoff Chapman <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ah Soronel, hmm, tha'ts interesting.
>
> thanks for responding to this. I haven't tried that screenReader yet. why
> don't they use nicer Synths I wonder. anywayz, back to topic.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:57 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TEST installer for JLS Utilities
>
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> I am eagerly watching nvda for just that reason. It's just at the
>> point of being usable right now but improving quickly. The main thing
>> I see holding NVDA back is voice quality, the OSS synthesis packages
>> are still awful. But it's something both FS and GW had better watch
>> or they will find themselves with a non-existent customer base.
>>
>> On 3/17/10, Geoff Chapman <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hi Jamal.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for responding to my concerns so graciously and
>>> promptly,
>>> as you always seem to manage to do. I honestly don't know how you get
>>> the
>>> energy! <grin.>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to hear it's not sounding like it's an easy thing to do. I
>>> just
>>> really think it would heighten people's desire to want to try things, if
>>> they knew they had a reliable restore/uninstall path to follow, to get
>>> their
>>> systems back to the ways they were before installation.
>>>
>>> I guess because FS isn't in the business of providing scripts themselves,
>>> that there providing such a decent installer/uninstaller, is low on
>>> their
>>> priority chain eh. <groan.> however, they respect you out there I'm
>>> sure,
>>> so perhaps your suggesting this might be helpful to them as
>>> developer/customer feedback? for surely now, that gw have jumped on this
>>> scripting bandWaggon as well, and that they're providing such a feature,
>>> making it more attractive for third party scripters like yourself to
>>> provide
>>> solutions through use of one or other product, that fs would want to
>>> begin
>>> to compete, or at least not see their current edge be lost through better
>>> and more flexible products offered by competitors?
>>> might this not improve their impetous to wish to comply with customer
>>> feedback more than before? or aren't they seeing the danger sufficiently
>>> enough yet to make them concerned enough for this to become a reality do
>>> you
>>> think.
>>>
>>> Geoff c.
>>>
>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:22 AM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TEST installer for JLS Utilities
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Geoff. It would, indeed, be desirable to have an easier way of
>>>> uninstalling a particular script set (as opposed to running JAWS
>>>> repair). Unfortunately, the way script sets can be merged with JSX
>>>> makes it difficult to reliably restore everything to the prior state.
>>>> I'll reflect on this problem though.
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, I wish FS would include a script packager and installer
>>>> with JAWS, similar to how GW has done for Window-Eyes script packages.
>>>> FS would be in the best position to do this, including an uninstall
>>>> feature, in the most reliable manner. Unless or until that happens,
>>>> however, I'll keep trying to improve JSX.
>>>>
>>>> Jamal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/8/2010 9:48 PM, Geoff Chapman wrote:
>>>>> Wow jamal! your amazing! how do you get the energy to do all these
>>>>> things!
>>>>> Thanks heaps for doing that eh. I will give this a shot myself now. I
>>>>> was
>>>>> also holding off a bit due to lazyness at working through the installer
>>>>> necessities, which of course is rather shameful given that they're not
>>>>> rocket science.<smile.> but, I will give this a shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On this question of installers/uninstallers, given what you've recently
>>>>> written Jamal, about the seeming comparative difficulty for non-techs,
>>>>> of
>>>>> uninstallation of a couple of your excellent utilities, like homer and
>>>>> this
>>>>> recent IEMax etc, does this mean that the JSX installer utility that I
>>>>> believe you've built, does not as yet, have an uninstaller component
>>>>> also?
>>>>> and, if not, do you think this would be a helpful addition to people
>>>>> wishing
>>>>> to testDrive functionality of anything installed with it?
>>>>> is this even possible would you say?
>>>>>
>>>>> just a thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again man so much for taking the time/effort to do this eh.
>>>>> very
>>>>> cool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoff c.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To:<JAWSScripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] TEST installer for JLS Utilities
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In response to the interest expressed here in these free utilities
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> http://www.heartofiowa.net/~snowman/jls_utilities.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have built an installer using JAWS Script Exchange from
>>>>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/jsxsetup.exe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The installer is available for testing at
>>>>>> http://empowermentzone.com/jls_utilities.exe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plese note that it uses the JSX merge feature, turning default.jss
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> container file for both the FS and JLS scripts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on my testing, the installation seems to work. If anyone has
>>>>>> feedback pro, con, or otherwise, please report to the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>>
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