[jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
- From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:49:44 -0500
In JAWS you use the arrow keys to read the text. The text area is in html so
JAWS virtualizes the window. so if I want to go to the next chapter and hit
the right arrow it will just go to the next character and not to the next
chapter. so I need to create new keystrokeswith their keystrokes in the
script.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:39 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> If they already use the arrow keys, why would you need to script them, or
am
> I not understanding what you're asking?
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis Brown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:09 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
>
>
> > thanks. I did find the names of the buttons using MSAA. sincewriting
> > yesterday I found out keystrokes are built in to move between chapters
but
> > they use the arrow keys. Can I write scriptswith
> >
> > typekey ("leftarrow")
> >
> > to use the built in keystrokes?
> >
> > I like the object list since there are other icons in the toolbar that
are
> > similar to the ones I was looking at.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:45 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >
> >
> >> One tool might be GetListOfObjects. You can try this by moving to the
> >> window with JawsCursor, then activating HomeRow, then hit Alt+F9. This
> > will
> >> give you an idea of how that puppy works.
> >> If you tab to one of the controls, then activate HomeRow, and use
Alt+F9,
> >> you might get the same results. If not, hit Shift+F2 to step up the
> > window
> >> chain, hitting Alt+F9 after each Shift+F2.
> >> If that works, you may be able to use the GetListOfObjects to step
> >> through
> >> your window's hierarchy.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dennis Brown
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:09 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >>
> >>
> >> > or, alternatively, if this all fails, use HotSpotClicker DEan to
bring
> >> > quick
> >> > and ready access to these Same ICon tools!
> >> >
> >> > http://www.hotSpoitClicker.org
> >> >
> >> > after all, that was the initial driving force behind my intention to
> > have
> >> > it
> >> > developed to what it is today! and jim's done just an amazing job
with
> >> > this
> >> > puppy! in my view anywayz.
> >> > one day, whenever I get around to it, 2 years and it hasn't happened
> > yet,
> >> > grrr, I am going to build an audio and textual quickstart for
> > non-scripter
> >> > newbies, which doesn't exist yet, at least, not one by me, Jim and
Vic
> >> > have
> >> > both done versions of one though I believe,
> >> > but, man in my view, hsc would get you out of trouble heaps easiest,
if
> >> > you
> >> > have no MSAA object separation for the icons as dennis has exhorted
you
> > to
> >> > check for below.
> >> > How continually reliable this solution would be, would in part depend
> > on:
> >> > A.) whether each graphical icon has it's own separate window that it
> >> > exists
> >> > in; and whether each of these tools/windows thus has it's own
trackable
> >> > attributes, like control ID, or WindowName etc,
> >> >
> >> > or,
> >> > B. whether all the tools Live inside their own one ToolBar window,
> >> > where
> >> > they cannot be dragged around or moved independently; such that if
one
> >> > moves, they all move. in which case you'd set your hotSpot
positioning
> >> > mode
> >> > to Current window, rather than it's default of application window,
for
> >> > maximum reliability, if they did move often.
> >> > or,
> >> > C. how often they might get moved around by other things happening in
> > the
> >> > program, based on their relative positions to the application window
> >> > boarder. if they don't move at all, you could just safely choose,
> >> > "application window," as the positioning mode/relative boarder
against
> >> > which
> >> > the hotspots were measured.
> >> > you'd of course define each as a separately labellable hotSpot, once
> >> > you
> >> > knew the purpose of each same Icon tool. BTW this is very, very
common
> > in
> >> > many applications these days. which is why hsc is sooooo groovy!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BTW dennis, for my own knowledge, I'd be very keen to have you resite
> > the
> >> > next part of this story for us all, as to how one might go about
> > scripting
> >> > this kind of sitch up from the back end, as it were, if these same
> >> > icons
> >> > end
> >> > up Having, separately determineable MSAA names/attributes? some
example
> >> > code
> >> > of how one might best suss that? Because,
> >> > without absolutely checking on this to be sure, but although hsc I
> > believe
> >> > does monitor the ObjectName as part of it's snapshot when defining
each
> >> > hotspot,
> >> > I am unsure as to it's present capabilities
> >> > regarding direct MSAA object attributes as settable criteria for
> >> > trackability, when activating the spot.
> >> > and, obviously, it'd be rather nice to have this option as an
> >> > additional
> >> > built in location criteria tool.
> >> > plus, I'd very much like to know how one might go about scripting up
> >> > manually, access to this kind of sitch anyway. i.e. code to crawl
> > through
> >> > current window looking for the uniquely determined MSAA object
> >> > attribute
> >> > etc.
> >> > feel like spilling on that one?
> >> > I'm sure you do.
> >> > he he.
> >> >
> >> > thanks.
> >> >
> >> > geoff c.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:22 AM
> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Do the graphics have MSAA data? Land on one and go into HomeRow
with
> >> >> Insert+Space, then cycle through F10, hitting F9 at each item
through
> > the
> >> >> cycle. See if you get any name, value, description, etc.
> >> >> Also, while in HomeRow, cycle through F3, hitting F1 at each item
and
> > see
> >> > if
> >> >> it has a unique control ID.
> >> >> Toggle off homeRow with another Insert+Space.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Dennis Brown
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:16 PM
> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> When I tried turning graphics mode on all icons in the program
became
> >> >> graphic 0.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: "Huskins, Wayne" <Wayne.Huskins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 3:27 PM
> >> >> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Have you tried turning graphics mode on in configuration
manager/set
> >> >> >options/graphics and symbols?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >W
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> >> >Sent: January 9, 2008 16:23
> >> >> >To: JAWS Scripts
> >> >> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Same Icon
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I have QuickVerse 2006 bible software. Some of the items in the
> > toolbar
> >> >> >have the same icon so you can't distinguish between them. Some of
> > these
> >> >> >are to go to the previous chapter, section, next chapter, section.
> >> >> >Depending on the text all of the icons do not appear and if they
are
> >> >> >labled all get the same label. so then you don't know just what the
> >> >> >icons do. Are there any suggestions as to how to remedy this?I have
> >> >> >tried resetting the screen resolution on my PC but that doesn't
> >> >> >change
> >> >> >the graphic number for these four icons. They all remain the same
and
> >> >> >with the same graphic number.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thanks,
> >> >> >Dean
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I personally know someone who literally is older than dirt.
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