[jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:51:00 +1100
that was my thinking too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:13 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> I'd assign that to the Alt+Left and Alt+Right so as to still use left and
> right within the html window.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis Brown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:11 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
>
>
> > That sounds like it might be the way to go. There are several windows on
> > the
> > desktop so passing by JAWS sounds like it might work.
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john.falter" <john.falter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:00 PM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >
> >
> >> How about
> >> JawsKey+3 to pass key Through)
> >> then right arrow?
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:34 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >>
> >>
> >> > thanks. I'll check this out when I have time at home.
> >> >
> >> > Dean
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Huskins, Wayne" <Wayne.Huskins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:51 PM
> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If the virtual cursor is off and you press an arrow do you move to a
> >> > new
> >> > chapter?
> >> > If so, try the following to move to the next chapter:
> >> >
> >> > if GetJCFOption (OPT_VIRTUAL_PC_CURSOR)==1 then
> >> > SetJCFOption (OPT_VIRTUAL_PC_CURSOR, 0)
> >> > {right arrow}
> >> > SetJCFOption (OPT_VIRTUAL_PC_CURSOR, 1)
> >> > endIf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> > Sent: January 10, 2008 17:50
> >> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> >
> >> > In JAWS you use the arrow keys to read the text. The text area is in
> >> > html so
> >> > JAWS virtualizes the window. so if I want to go to the next chapter
and
> >> > hit
> >> > the right arrow it will just go to the next character and not to the
> >> > next
> >> > chapter. so I need to create new keystrokeswith their keystrokes in
the
> >> > script.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:39 PM
> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > If they already use the arrow keys, why would you need to script
> >> > > them,
> >> > or
> >> > am
> >> > > I not understanding what you're asking?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Dennis Brown
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:09 PM
> >> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > thanks. I did find the names of the buttons using MSAA.
> >> > > > sincewriting
> >> > > > yesterday I found out keystrokes are built in to move between
> >> > chapters
> >> > but
> >> > > > they use the arrow keys. Can I write scriptswith
> >> > > >
> >> > > > typekey ("leftarrow")
> >> > > >
> >> > > > to use the built in keystrokes?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I like the object list since there are other icons in the toolbar
> >> > that
> >> > are
> >> > > > similar to the ones I was looking at.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:45 AM
> >> > > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> One tool might be GetListOfObjects. You can try this by moving
to
> >> > the
> >> > > >> window with JawsCursor, then activating HomeRow, then hit
Alt+F9.
> >> > This
> >> > > > will
> >> > > >> give you an idea of how that puppy works.
> >> > > >> If you tab to one of the controls, then activate HomeRow, and
use
> >> > Alt+F9,
> >> > > >> you might get the same results. If not, hit Shift+F2 to step up
> >> > the
> >> > > > window
> >> > > >> chain, hitting Alt+F9 after each Shift+F2.
> >> > > >> If that works, you may be able to use the GetListOfObjects to
step
> >> > > >> through
> >> > > >> your window's hierarchy.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Thanks,
> >> > > >> Dennis Brown
> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:09 PM
> >> > > >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > or, alternatively, if this all fails, use HotSpotClicker DEan
to
> >> > bring
> >> > > >> > quick
> >> > > >> > and ready access to these Same ICon tools!
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > http://www.hotSpoitClicker.org
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > after all, that was the initial driving force behind my
> >> > > >> > intention
> >> > to
> >> > > > have
> >> > > >> > it
> >> > > >> > developed to what it is today! and jim's done just an amazing
> >> > > >> > job
> >> > with
> >> > > >> > this
> >> > > >> > puppy! in my view anywayz.
> >> > > >> > one day, whenever I get around to it, 2 years and it hasn't
> >> > happened
> >> > > > yet,
> >> > > >> > grrr, I am going to build an audio and textual quickstart for
> >> > > > non-scripter
> >> > > >> > newbies, which doesn't exist yet, at least, not one by me, Jim
> >> > and
> >> > Vic
> >> > > >> > have
> >> > > >> > both done versions of one though I believe,
> >> > > >> > but, man in my view, hsc would get you out of trouble heaps
> >> > easiest,
> >> > if
> >> > > >> > you
> >> > > >> > have no MSAA object separation for the icons as dennis has
> >> > exhorted
> >> > you
> >> > > > to
> >> > > >> > check for below.
> >> > > >> > How continually reliable this solution would be, would in part
> >> > depend
> >> > > > on:
> >> > > >> > A.) whether each graphical icon has it's own separate window
> >> > > >> > that
> >> > it
> >> > > >> > exists
> >> > > >> > in; and whether each of these tools/windows thus has it's own
> >> > trackable
> >> > > >> > attributes, like control ID, or WindowName etc,
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > or,
> >> > > >> > B. whether all the tools Live inside their own one ToolBar
> >> > window,
> >> > > >> > where
> >> > > >> > they cannot be dragged around or moved independently; such
that
> >> > if
> >> > one
> >> > > >> > moves, they all move. in which case you'd set your hotSpot
> >> > positioning
> >> > > >> > mode
> >> > > >> > to Current window, rather than it's default of application
> >> > window,
> >> > for
> >> > > >> > maximum reliability, if they did move often.
> >> > > >> > or,
> >> > > >> > C. how often they might get moved around by other things
> >> > happening in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > >> > program, based on their relative positions to the application
> >> > window
> >> > > >> > boarder. if they don't move at all, you could just safely
> >> > > >> > choose,
> >> > > >> > "application window," as the positioning mode/relative boarder
> >> > against
> >> > > >> > which
> >> > > >> > the hotspots were measured.
> >> > > >> > you'd of course define each as a separately labellable
hotSpot,
> >> > once
> >> > > >> > you
> >> > > >> > knew the purpose of each same Icon tool. BTW this is very,
very
> >> > common
> >> > > > in
> >> > > >> > many applications these days. which is why hsc is sooooo
groovy!
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > BTW dennis, for my own knowledge, I'd be very keen to have you
> >> > resite
> >> > > > the
> >> > > >> > next part of this story for us all, as to how one might go
about
> >> > > > scripting
> >> > > >> > this kind of sitch up from the back end, as it were, if these
> >> > same
> >> > > >> > icons
> >> > > >> > end
> >> > > >> > up Having, separately determineable MSAA names/attributes?
some
> >> > example
> >> > > >> > code
> >> > > >> > of how one might best suss that? Because,
> >> > > >> > without absolutely checking on this to be sure, but although
hsc
> >> > I
> >> > > > believe
> >> > > >> > does monitor the ObjectName as part of it's snapshot when
> >> > defining
> >> > each
> >> > > >> > hotspot,
> >> > > >> > I am unsure as to it's present capabilities
> >> > > >> > regarding direct MSAA object attributes as settable criteria
for
> >> > > >> > trackability, when activating the spot.
> >> > > >> > and, obviously, it'd be rather nice to have this option as an
> >> > > >> > additional
> >> > > >> > built in location criteria tool.
> >> > > >> > plus, I'd very much like to know how one might go about
> >> > > >> > scripting
> >> > up
> >> > > >> > manually, access to this kind of sitch anyway. i.e. code to
> >> > > >> > crawl
> >> > > > through
> >> > > >> > current window looking for the uniquely determined MSAA object
> >> > > >> > attribute
> >> > > >> > etc.
> >> > > >> > feel like spilling on that one?
> >> > > >> > I'm sure you do.
> >> > > >> > he he.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > thanks.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > geoff c.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >> > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:22 AM
> >> > > >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >> Do the graphics have MSAA data? Land on one and go into
> >> > > >> >> HomeRow
> >> > with
> >> > > >> >> Insert+Space, then cycle through F10, hitting F9 at each item
> >> > through
> >> > > > the
> >> > > >> >> cycle. See if you get any name, value, description, etc.
> >> > > >> >> Also, while in HomeRow, cycle through F3, hitting F1 at each
> >> > item
> >> > and
> >> > > > see
> >> > > >> > if
> >> > > >> >> it has a unique control ID.
> >> > > >> >> Toggle off homeRow with another Insert+Space.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> Thanks,
> >> > > >> >> Dennis Brown
> >> > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >> >> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:16 PM
> >> > > >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> When I tried turning graphics mode on all icons in the
program
> >> > became
> >> > > >> >> graphic 0.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> >> >From: "Huskins, Wayne" <Wayne.Huskins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >> >> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 3:27 PM
> >> > > >> >> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >> >> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >Have you tried turning graphics mode on in configuration
> >> > manager/set
> >> > > >> >> >options/graphics and symbols?
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >W
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> >> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >> >> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> > > >> >> >Sent: January 9, 2008 16:23
> >> > > >> >> >To: JAWS Scripts
> >> > > >> >> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Same Icon
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >I have QuickVerse 2006 bible software. Some of the items in
> >> > > >> >> >the
> >> > > > toolbar
> >> > > >> >> >have the same icon so you can't distinguish between them.
Some
> >> > of
> >> > > > these
> >> > > >> >> >are to go to the previous chapter, section, next chapter,
> >> > section.
> >> > > >> >> >Depending on the text all of the icons do not appear and if
> >> > they
> >> > are
> >> > > >> >> >labled all get the same label. so then you don't know just
> >> > > >> >> >what
> >> > the
> >> > > >> >> >icons do. Are there any suggestions as to how to remedy
this?I
> >> > have
> >> > > >> >> >tried resetting the screen resolution on my PC but that
> >> > > >> >> >doesn't
> >> > > >> >> >change
> >> > > >> >> >the graphic number for these four icons. They all remain the
> >> > same
> >> > and
> >> > > >> >> >with the same graphic number.
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >Thanks,
> >> > > >> >> >Dean
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >I personally know someone who literally is older than dirt.
> >> > > >> >> >If you would like to meet him, please write to me or join us
> >> > > >> >> >on
> >> > the
> >> > > >> >> >Masters List:
> >> > > >> >> >masterslist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >> >> >
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