Well I figured there might be more child windows that he can examine and perhaps the objects do have a window handle. Just a thought on getting the full list of window handles. You never know because just a getFirstChild doesn't reveal it all. You need something to traverse the window structure to get a better idea. It would seem kind of silly that these objects are just floating in one window. But I can't rule that out either. John -----Original Message----- From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:02 AM To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Need your advice on a JAWS scripting challenge I thought though John, that they were talking specifvically of working with objects, and not windows per Se. Did I misunderstand this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:06 PM Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Need your advice on a JAWS scripting challenge > If you take a look at the blind tunes source code, you might be able to > grab some code to find a list of windows in the program. You'd have to > modify it a little bit, but it would find all the handles for you. You > could put them in a segmented list and do some interesting things with > that. > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:17 AM > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Need your advice on a JAWS scripting challenge > > If you are seeing 7 children I would expect that you are seeing just the > standard window response to an accessibility query (things like the title > bar, min/max/close buttons) etc and not anything from the application > itself. > > Using acc explorer does the program actually return anything that is > specific to the application and not just the standard accessibility > elements? > > On 3/22/12, Travis Roth <travis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> This sounds very complex. I wonder how Inspect is able to enumerate >> the objects when acNavigate doesn't work? >> >> I was wondering if it would be possible to build your own searching >> function that would approach the screen via a grid-like pattern, and >> use one of the location based functions such as GetObjectAtPoint() to >> build an array of objects? >> If you either know how many objects you're seeking, or which ones you >> could compare the objects found against a master list to know when you >> have had enough, or exhausted the grid, whichever comes first. >> >> It may be possible to expediate the search by looking at the location >> data of the object that is found and moving to the right, etc., if all >> objects you need are visible and the MSAA location data is available >> and accurate. A lot of questions there but without accNavigate I am >> not sure of how else to find the objects... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kamil >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:18 PM >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Need your advice on a JAWS scripting >> challenge >> >> Hi Doug, >> >> Thanks a lot for responding to my question so quickly. >> >> accChildCount reports 7 children, but accChild(1) to 7 returns null, >> and >> accName(1) to 7 returns blank. AccExplorer shows 7 child objects. The >> forth object has a non-blank name. >> >> This seems to mean that neither child objects could be retrieved nor >> their accName. >> >> I tried GetObjectInfoByName function. It can retrieve the value and >> other info but doesn't give me the actual object. I need the object to >> call the accDoDefaultAction method. >> >> Is GetObjectInfoByName the function you were referring to as "JAWS >> functions for enumerating object properties"? >> >> Many of these objects are not focusable by tab key, and their pixel >> location are not fixed. Therefore, I can not use the other object related >> functions. >> >> Please confirm whether I understood your reply accurately or not. >> >> Thanks again, >> Kamil >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Lee" <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:43 PM >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Need your advice on a JAWS scripting >> challenge >> >> >>> JAWS, 13 or older, does not provide access to AccessibleChildren() >>> per se. You may be able to get what you want using .accChildCount and >>> childIDs; e.g., o.accName(3) for the name of the third object. Also >>> worth a try is something like o.accChild(3) for the third full object. >>> Finally, the JAWS functions for enumerating object properties into >>> text strings might be useful, if tedious and/or slow depending on >>> your needs. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:28:40PM -0400, Kamil wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm dealing with a windows-based application which its whole user >>> interface is one window (hwnd). It's exposing its controls through >>> MSAA as objects. >>> >>> The challenge it that even though controls are exposed as MSAA >>> objects, the object navigation method (accNavigate) has not been >>> implemented at all. >>> This >>> prevents me from scraping controls starting from the main and only >>> window handle. >>> >>> Windows API (oleacc.dll), has an "AccessibleChildren" function which >>> enumerates all children of an object and returns an object array. I'm >>> wondering if JAWS 13 provides access to this function. >>> >>> I'm also open to any other solution to the above challenge. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kamil >>> >>> __________??? >>> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Lee, Senior Accessibility Programmer SSB BART Group - >>> Accessibility-on-Demand mailto:doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "While they were saying among themselves >>> it cannot be done, it was done." --Helen Keller __________ >>> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >>> >> >> __________ >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >> __________ >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> > > > -- > Soronel Haetir > soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts __________� View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts