[jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:28:07 +1100
Hi Gethers.
ok this is a longish explanitory email so get ready to take in stuff.
I fear This topic/concept is kinda going outside what is meant to be the
primary focus of this list probably now,
Since your original question was related to whether there were current
scripts available for the power DVD product, and the answer was, there
pretty much isn't,
but, might I just ask you, how familiar you are with using jaws? and in
particular, in exploring non-speech-friendly applications in general?
E.g. are you familiar at all with what Optical character recognition, (OCR),
is?
Or why it is necessary, and how it may or may not provide you with any
useful information about an application, and why/why not?
bottom line here is, many programs simply do not display controls on the
screen that are readily keyboard navigable with either arrows or tab,
, nor even display text on the screen that can readily be accessed/read by
the jaws cursor, after routing it to PC cursor.
And this program sounds like one of those.
These can be thus very difficult to script.
Basically, when you begin the OCR process, jaws13 attempts to glean some
information by, "looking," at the actual images, i.e. shapes of letters,
of otherwise inaccessible text which may be on the screen, which, remember,
may or may not be there, as blind users we don't really know of course,
and converting anything it can recognize, to actual written text, that it
then allows traversing of with the jaws cursor/mouse pointer.
Then, after finishing it's recognition job,
it auto-activates the jaws cursor for you, which is really the mouse
pointer, and allows the user to explore the window with this cursor, and to
read any text it was able to recognize.
Of course you'd do that with control+Home to move to top of the window, then
arrow keys.
This process is similar to what scanners do, when connected to OCR engines,
though I'm told the contrast on a puter screen, is often not as sharp as it
is on a white page,
, so the success or otherwise of the OCR job it can actually do, is very
much dependent on a lot of factors. Not the least of which is the contrast
of any actual text on the screen, to background, "noise,", how fancily the
text is written, i.e.
how decorated it is, etc etc.
then, if, during exploration of the recognized text,
you find any useful text at all with the jaws cursor, you can try
leftClicking it with the Numpad Slash,
or, I think it's capsLock+topRow number 8 on the keyboard in laptop keyboard
layout,
leftClick emulation button.
And see if this brings any joy for you.
But, as soon as you activate the PC cursor again manually after this Optical
character recognition attempt has been performed, be aware that you lose the
recognized text of whatever jaws was able to glean from the process.
If anything.
be aware too, that you may get lots of, "garbage," bits and pieces that
don't mean anything too. that's pretty normal with bad situation OCRing.
So it's a one-shot deal basically.
Of course you can repeat the OCR operation as many times as you want, to see
if any improvements are made from a second or third shot.
You don't, however, do the OCR process, and then hit applications key.
That is a totally different deal,
as it's used to access a totally different menu of options, if indeed it
does anything at all in power DVD, which it may not in your version.
now, having said all that,
were you able to take a look at the table of keyboard commands I directed
you to in a previous message?
Did you try simply hitting enter, after loading what you know to be a power
dvd accepted filetype?
which from memory, was the keyboard play command.
----- Original Message -----
From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 5:50 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
> Hi Geoff and Jackie,
> When the power dvd window open ,I press jaws + space then letter o ,then I
> heard it's say OCR then I press letter w it's say something pc cursor
> activate I think ,when I press the application key I hear few things but
> don't hear it's say stop or play . I'm using jaws 13
>
> O. Addison Gethers
>
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> O.AddisonGethers@xxxxxxxxx
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:34 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>
>
>> hi O.Addison.
>>
>> I think what we're all trying to tell you here is, that there aren't any
>> modern mature scripts available for this program.
>> and, that it's thus not going to be a very speech-friendly program to
>> use,
>> and that it'll be a bit hit and miss as a dvd player on the pc for you.
>>
>> have you taken Chris's suggestion of looking in jaws13 Help, or google
>> it,
>> under the feature called "convenient OCR?
>>
>> basically, are you familiar with what OCR, (optical character
>> recognition,)
>> is/does?
>>
>> basically you'd press jawsKey+space, then O, for OCR, \then W, to begin
>> the
>> OCR process of the currently focused window.
>>
>> when it's done, the jaws cursor will automatically become activated, and
>> if
>> it's beenable to, recognize, any bitMap visual text onscreen that isn't
>> normally available to screenreaders in the normal way, it'll let you
>> traverse this with the jaws cursor. you may then try left clicking on
>> anything you feel might be useful. but as soon as you flip away from the
>> app
>> with altTab, or hit PC cursor key again, the OCR text will be removed.
>>
>>
>> and you'll have to repeat the process as many times as you need to
>> experiment with stuff in this realm.
>>
>> hth.
>>
>> Also check out the keybgoard shortcuts on the link I sent previously for
>> basics.
>>
>> Geoff c.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "O.Addison Gethers" <oag1rottie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:11 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>>
>>
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>> Do I still need the jaws script for power dvd version 2.00 ? If I do
>>> ,then
>>> where can I get it from?
>>>
>>> O. Addison Gethers
>>>
>>> e-mail address
>>> oag1rottie@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> O.AddisonGethers@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>>>
>>>
>>>> he mneans the JawsCursor, which is the mouse pointer, which one uses to
>>>> try
>>>> and read anything which might be onScreen.
>>>>
>>>> did a quick google search for keyboard shortcuts power DVD help
>>>> and came up with the following page:
>>>> if you use your table reading mode keys in jaws, after hitting t for
>>>> table
>>>> to jump to it on this site, it may help get you started? assuming yours
>>>> is
>>>> power DVD ultra?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.keyxl.com/aaab43b/275/PowerDVD-Ultra-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mario Brusco" <mrb620@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:27 AM
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> after pressing the app key and then the JAWS key, can anything be
>>>>> read.
>>>>> sometimes when JAWS does not seem to not read anything normally, I
>>>>> activate
>>>>> the reading cursor and check out the display, if possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: March 19, 2012 10:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you try shortcuts like control+P and control+S and F8 through 10
>>>>> to
>>>>> see
>>>>> if they control anything?
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of O.Addison
>>>>> Gethers
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>> I can't get jaws to read what's version of power dvd ,someone had
>>>>> installed
>>>>> the program in my computer 2 weeks ago!! When I press alt + h nothing
>>>>> happen
>>>>> so I can get the version !!
>>>>>
>>>>> O. Addison Gethers
>>>>>
>>>>> e-mail address
>>>>> oag1rottie@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> O.AddisonGethers@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What version of powerDVD are you using?
>>>>>> I remember I made some cheap scripts for it, but I don't know if it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> work for the newer versions. I was using PowerDVD 6.
>>>>>> John Martyn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of O.Addison
>>>>>> Gethers
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:53 PM
>>>>>> To: Jaws scripts
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Jaws scripts for Power DVD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>> I'm using jaws 11,12 and 13 ,Is there any jaws scripts for Power DVD?
>>>>>> When
>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> put the dvd movie in dvd drive power dvd window popped on the window
>>>>>> ,when
>>>>>> the movie is playing ,I try to press the application key to arrow up
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> where I can find stop or pause ,but I noticed when I use up or down
>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>> key jaws isn't saying anything at all ,when I press f1 for help menu
>>>>>> jaws
>>>>>> isn't reading the help menu content at all!! Can anyone give me any
>>>>>> suggestion ? I had to press the spacebar to pause and press spacebar
>>>>>> again
>>>>>> to play then press esc to stop!!
>>>>>> O. Addison Gethers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> e-mail address
>>>>>> oag1rottie@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> O.AddisonGethers@xxxxxxxxx
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