Along the lines of what mentioned in prior posts, I am assigning custom labels to certain controls in some software, but am then having to add validation rules to some of them to make sure that it's the right context, where I then do want the prompt to be spoken, but the issue is now that on two separate machines, with one running windowsXP 32 bit, and one running windows7 64 bit - in case that's relevant at all - and with both of them running jaws 13.0.924 update, roundabout middle of validation rule creation process, jaws literally bombs out, and brings up the crash bug dialog, and seems like generally have to actually restart windows then before can carry on doing anything, and this also means can't get jaws to generate memory dump file using jaws key + windows key + F4. Any thoughts on what could be causing this issue etc...? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' __________� View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts