[jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
- From: "G-Dog" <lucifur@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:45:23 -0700
Yup!
It's the good ol
Hurry up and Ketchup I guess huh?
I'm not sure if Rapcity is any better.
Grr.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
NVDA is free, so nothing to buy there.
Not sure there's an easy answer to your question. Apple is going to enhance
iTunes and the screen readers are going to have to make updates to support
newer versions of iTunes. Apple also makes its own screen reader and chooses
to work with GW Micro. There's nothing that says they need to work with FS.
I'm not sure why you'd be tossed from the list.
--
Christopher
chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 3:05 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
So, we all have to go and buy the latest JAWS yet again?
Or I suppose an Apple or Window eyes.
I wonder about NVDA?
I'll probably get tossed from the list if this is perceived as a criticism
of Freedom Scientific so probably these questions are rhetorical.
Dale leavens.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:25 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
>I suspect Apple already feels they've provided an accessible interface for
> iTunes. I've never used it with VoiceOver, but I assume it works well with
> VoiceOver. Since iTunes 8, they've worked with GW Micro to make the
> Windows
> version of iTunes accessible with Windows based screen readers. My
> understanding is that the latest version of iTunes works well with the
> latest version of Window Eyes. The latest versions of JFW and NVDA also
> appear to work with the most recent versions of iTunes. There's also
> J-Tunes, which although it doesn't come from FS or Apple, does make the
> iTunes experience easier for JAWS users, at least for some blind users.
>
> --
> Christopher
> chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:12 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
>
> Wouldn't you think that either Freedom Scientific or Apple or maybe both
> would devise a working interface that blind people could use?
>
> There are dozens of commerce sites which are simple to use and surely even
> an alternate simplified site to the inventory would be better than what is
> presently available. They could of course keep their pretty solution and
> it
> would be an interesting marketing experiment to see, if given a choice
> which
>
> portal people would select. It just might be that a simplified interface
> would be preferred.
>
> What ever the case, it is difficult to understand why any vendor would
> deliberately and knowingly continue to present barriers to sales and yet
> they do. Perhaps it is intended to encourage us to go Apple MAC in which
> case where will FS be selling Windows software? Very peculiar strategies
> on
> all sides.
>
> Dale Leavens.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:42 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
>
>
>> yep confirming version 10 is broken with current versions of itunes and
>> is
>> not useable for virtual stuff, which is pretty much where everything is
>> now
>> in versions of itunes from 9 upwards! yuck yuck! I don't like them! I
>> infinitely prefer version 8 which is stil on laptop, version 10now on
>> desktop though. and I very much dislike the way everything in the store
>> now
>> has moved into virtual/MSAA land in later versions of itunes. In my
>> personal view,
>> makes navigating choices much much slower and harder than when the normal
>> one entry per line listbox view was available, and when things could be
>> read
>> on screen with jaws cursor, and thus draggAndDropped into lists as
>> desired!
>> where standard copy and paste doesn't seem to always work.
>> this manual dragAndDrop functionality can't be done any more with later
>> versions of itunes because stacks of stuff just doesn't seem to be
>> available
>> to directly read/monipulate with jaws cursor any more from versh 9
>> onwards!
>> very disappointed about this.
>>
>> although one can of course press B for Button in the new virtual based
>> interface, to flip between previewing results etc, it's still not nearly
>> as
>> simple as the one entry per arrow press list box, that the store used to
>> sport, in itunes 8 in my view. in itunes 8, I can make a new list of
>> anything I'm wanting to gift, manually drag and drop the results I want
>> from
>> an itunes store search into that list, using hsc's one-shot bookmark
>> feature
>> to help me to do that more easily, then manualy click few pixels to the
>> right-hand end of the playlist name, to then bring up a dialog where one
>> can
>> choose to "gift this music," or create an imix.
>> I can't see how to do any of that now in itunes 10 for gifting my own
>> playlists of tunes, or even a single tune, to anyone.
>>
>> also, I find personally that sometimes when navigating store in this new
>> virtual land interface, that jaws can sometimes get out of sync with
>> stuff,
>> as regards real versus virtual focus.
>> thus, what you may use arrows to get to, and press enter on, is
>> sometimes,
>> not, in my view, necessarily synchronized seemlessly to be the actual
>> link
>> you expected. meaning, the focus, where itunes thinks you are really, is
>> not
>> always synched with where virtual buffer tells you you may be, using the
>> arrow keys.
>> Unlike virtual buffer when on the internet where it always seems to be
>> synched properly, I find sometimes to reeeally insure your hitting
>> enter/activating the link you want, you may sometimes need to actually
>> tab
>> to it first, or at least check with insert+tab, that focus is keeping up
>> properly with where you've arrowed to?if that makes sense?
>>
>> Sometimes if it's not, using the not very oft needed keystroke of
>> Control+JawsKey+delete, route PC to virtual, resynchs things and can be a
>> quick way of bringing itunes focus to where you are in virtual land.
>>
>> note: I don't find this the case all the time, but just saying that I've
>> seen anomalies like this in navigating itunes store,
>> and for what it's worth throwing up that experience for warnings.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "G-Dog" <lucifur@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 12:15 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
>>
>>
>>> Cheers I'll have her update jfw to 11 then.
>>> Just wondering though,
>>> Did FS incorporate the set of scripts from TNT consultency?
>>> If not, would they give better access to version 11 or 12?
>>>
>>> I know they would with 10 but she needs to update jaws any how so we
>>> will
>>> start with that.
>>>
>>> KG.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:23 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JFW & I-TUNES
>>>
>>>
>>> Well had no problems with current version of
>>> iTunes and jaws11 or 12. They let me do all I needed with current iPod
>>> 4th
>>> gen.
>>>
>>> At 10:11 AM 11/19/2010, you wrote:
>>>>Hi guys.
>>>>
>>>>My blind sister has a new IPhone. Oh goody!
>>>>
>>>>She is running jfw v10.ex on a Vista laptop & the version of ITunes that
>>>>shipped with the IPhone 3gs.
>>>>Note that ITunes is prompting her to update so she is not running the
>>>>latest
>>>>release.
>>>>
>>>>She has asked me for help/advice on interfacing with ITunes. Plese help
>>>>me
>>>>with the following:
>>>>
>>>>1) Which version of jaws works best with Itunes.
>>>>2) Which version of ITunes is best with jaws?
>>>>3) Does she require scripts to improve access with jfw 10 or, should she
>>>>upgrade jaws and use the supplied FS scripts?
>>>>
>>>>Any other opinions and advice are welcome since I know there are lots of
>>>>you
>>>>guys using ITunes with jfw.
>>>>
>>>>Help make me look good with the sista!
>>>>
>>>>Cheers....L.
>>>>
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>>> trouble
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