[jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
- From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:10:07 -0400 (EDT)
Hi Dennis,
I tried ConfigNames.ini with the DLL that JAWS identifies as active with
Insert+Q. It is also the one Script Manager uses to name the .jss when
Insert+0 is pressed. Are you saying that I should try to do this with
every DLL used by the program?
Jamal
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Dennis Brown wrote:
> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:04:55 -0400
> From: Dennis Brown <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>
> Hi Jamal,
> I'm coming in late on this, but did you try adding all of the dll names to
> ConfigNames.ini for your script set?
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis Brown
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Bauer" <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:36 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
>
>
> > The script info unknown uses is retrieved from a JKM file. If you
> > write a script, assign it a keystroke, compile, delete the script from
> > the source and recompile while leaving the JKM entry intact, the name
> > will be passed to unknown.
> >
> > As far as your actual questions go, I have no idea and wish I did. Is
> > WXCore some sort of wrapper to mctwit.exe? If, say, mctwit was doing
> > the grunt work and WXCore was just the GUI, that might explain some of
> > the confusion.
> >
> > Perhaps JAWS only views an *application* for active configuration
> > purposes as either executables or DLLs?
> >
> > Pure conjecture, though...
> > Original message
> > from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> > date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >>Hi Jim,
> >>That helps, though I'm not there yet. If JAWS knows what script
> >>the user attempted to execute, then wouldn't it get that info from a .jss
> >>or .jkm file? If so, why can't it execute the script that it knows the
> >>name of, obtained from a particular file? Why does the AutoStart event
> >>work in the associated .jss but not other scripts within the same file?
> >>Even with the technique that now works (Brian's code that uses the
> >>technique you described), I notice that application settings are unchecked
> >>for both wx._core_ and McTwit settings? If they are unchecked, why are
> >>they active?
> >>
> >>I realize you may not know all the answers to these questions, but I'm
> >>asking in case you or others can help explain this mysterious situation.
> >> I sure wish these script issues were better documented for developers.
> >>
> >>Jamal
> >>
> >>On
> >>Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jim Bauer wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:14:56 -0500
> >>> From: Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
> >>> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>>
> >>> When JAWS can't find a script in either the JSB of the currently
> >>> active configuration or any JSBs linked to the active binary via Use
> >>> statements, the offending script's name is passed to the unknown
> >>> function. In default.jss, this function is written to speak the
> >>> infamous, "unknown call to script/function" <func/scriptName> message.
> >>>
> >>> Here, we're creating an application-specific override that looks up
> >>> the JKM entry for the given script name and types the keystroke it
> >>> finds.
> >>>
> >>> If you try creating scripts in WXCore and doling out keystrokes,
> >>> nothing will happen when those keys are pressed in Mctwit. And if you
> >>> switch to the Mctwit configuration and merrily script hotkey after
> >>> hotkey in Mctwit.jss without the aforementioned override, JAWS will
> >>> pass any script called to unknown.
> >>>
> >>> Original message
> >>> from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>> date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:17:22 -0400 (EDT)
> >>>
> >>> >Jim,
> >>> >I have not been able to get your technique to work, but since Brian
> >>> >did,
> >>> >I must not be grasping it fully. Can you explain conceptually what
> >>> >this
> >>> >technique is doing?
> >>> >
> >>> >Jamal
> >>> >On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jim Bauer wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:28:40 -0500
> >>> >> From: Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
> >>> >> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>> >>
> >>> >> This goes in wx._core_:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> function Unknown(string TheName)
> >>> >> typeKey(iniReadString("Common Keys", TheName,
> >>> >> getCurrentScriptKeyName(),
> >>> >> GetJawsSettingsDirectory()+"\\mctwit.jkm"))
> >>> >> endFunction
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Then, simply switchToConfiguration("mctwit" in WXCore's
> >>> >> autoStartEvent
> >>> >> function. Put your scripts in mctwit.jss.
> >>> >> Hope that cleared things up at least a little.
> >>> >> Original message
> >>> >> from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>> >> date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >Hi Jim,
> >>> >> >Can you post sample code? I tried SwitchToConfiguration in the
> >>> >> >AutoStart event, but it did not work. I also tried
> >>> >> >SwitchToScriptFile.
> >>> >> >I didn't understand the references to unknown function or the ini
> >>> >> >file
> >>> >> >in your message.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Jamal
> >>> >> >On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Jim Bauer wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:12:24 -0500
> >>> >> >> From: Jim Bauer <holdsworthfan@xxxxxx>
> >>> >> >> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> You can make Unknown work for you here:
> >>> >> >> switch to the mctwit configuration in the autoStartEvent of
> >>> >> >> wx._core_.jss. Also include therein an unknown function that looks
> >>> >> >> in
> >>> >> >> mctwit.jkm (via iniReadString) for the keystroke(s) it has been
> >>> >> >> passed, then types the findings.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> HTH
> >>> >> >> Original message
> >>> >> >> from: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> >> subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>> >> >> date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:19:54 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >I have tried that as well, without success. Good suggestion
> >>> >> >> >though.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Jamal
> >>> >> >> >On Mon, 15 Jun 2009,
> >>> >> >> >Bryan Garaventa wrote:
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:11:18 -0700
> >>> >> >> >> From: Bryan Garaventa <bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> >> >> Reply-To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >> >> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> You've likely already tried this, but does the old method for
> >>> >> >> >> passing keys
> >>> >> >> >> through work? For instance
> >>> >> >> >> {alt+t}
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> >> >> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> >> >> To: <JAWSScripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:15 AM
> >>> >> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Difficulty scripting McTwit
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> > As you may know, I develop a Twitter client called McTwit,
> >>> >> >> >> > whose installer
> >>> >> >> >> > is available at
> >>> >> >> >> > http://EmpowermentZone.com/mtsetup.exe
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Although I try to make the application as keyboard and screen
> >>> >> >> >> > reader-friendly as possible, sometimes there are ways that it
> >>> >> >> >> > may be
> >>> >> >> >> > enhanced in ways that are not presently practical through my
> >>> >> >> >> > coding alone.
> >>> >> >> >> > I wish to promote collaboration in this and other open source
> >>> >> >> >> > projects, so
> >>> >> >> >> > will work with anyone wanting to make a contribution that
> >>> >> >> >> > offers
> >>> >> >> >> > additional features.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > I'm writing now in the hope that someone on this list may be
> >>> >> >> >> > able to
> >>> >> >> >> > resolve why JAWS does not recognize scripted keys for McTwit.
> >>> >> >> >> > Brian
> >>> >> >> >> > Hartgen and others on Twitter have suggested alternative
> >>> >> >> >> > hotkeys for
> >>> >> >> >> > McTwit that work like an email interface. At present, I am
> >>> >> >> >> > implementing
> >>> >> >> >> > hotkeys only by means of the Windows dialog engine, which
> >>> >> >> >> > automatically
> >>> >> >> >> > provides hotkeys of an Alt+Letter nature when the & character
> >>> >> >> >> > is used in
> >>> >> >> >> > the label of a button. With some email-like alternatives,
> >>> >> >> >> > one could also
> >>> >> >> >> > do, say, Control+N for a new tweet (rather than Alt+T),
> >>> >> >> >> > Control+R for a
> >>> >> >> >> > direct reply, and Control+Shift+R for a public reply (like
> >>> >> >> >> > "replying to
> >>> >> >> >> > all").
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > To our surprise, Brian Hartgen and I have not been able to
> >>> >> >> >> > implement this
> >>> >> >> >> > with normal JAWS scripting techniques, e.g.,
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Script NewTweet()
> >>> >> >> >> > TypeKey("Alt+T")
> >>> >> >> >> > EndScript
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > where the .jkm file contains
> >>> >> >> >> > Control+N=NewTweet
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > This is why Brian has been trying to use the key pressed
> >>> >> >> >> > event, with
> >>> >> >> >> > unsatisfactory results so far.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > I asked Jeff Bishop if he could implement similar
> >>> >> >> >> > functionality with
> >>> >> >> >> > Window-Eyes scripting, and he has done so in a script package
> >>> >> >> >> > available at
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > http://www.gwmicro.com/Script_Central/Scripts/Script_Details/?scriptid=1244
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Can anyone help us get this working with JAWS? Although the
> >>> >> >> >> > main
> >>> >> >> >> > executable is McTwit.exe, Insert+Q reports that a GUI-related
> >>> >> >> >> > DLL is
> >>> >> >> >> > active when McTwit is the active window. Still, JAWS should
> >>> >> >> >> > be able to
> >>> >> >> >> > script such an application, as it does for others with DLLs
> >>> >> >> >> > that assist
> >>> >> >> >> > the primary executable. I don't know if this might be a
> >>> >> >> >> > problem, but the
> >>> >> >> >> > DLL has a Python related suffix, rather than the traditional
> >>> >> >> >> > .dll. The
> >>> >> >> >> > AutoStart event does trigger whenever McTwit is the active
> >>> >> >> >> > window, but
> >>> >> >> >> > scripts are not recognized.
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Suggestions, anyone?
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > Jamal
> >>> >> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> > __________
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