[jawsscripts] Re: A last-gasp attempt at this 3270 problem of mine
- From: Steve Matzura <number6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:37:22 -0400
Jim, you made me laugh! Everybody wants everything yesterday. Too bad,
because with all the good tips I've gotten in just the last three
messages I've read could give me a week's worth of solid work, but at
the rate they were paying me, I'd break the bank by Wednesday! LOL!
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:10:00 -0500, you wrote:
>HSC won't automatically do that if there is no focus change, as their would
>likely not be in a terminal window.
>But, you can select them manually.
>
>You can define rectangles around items you want spoken.
>Mutiple sets of them, you just have to switch between sets manually.
>
>And, it seems there was a system of switching various sets of frames in and
>out that I did for some project.
>I can't remember much about it. Perhasp others who were there can recall.
>But, I think it monitored a screen location, or set of them by one frame
>that was common to all frame sets. Each set was it's own .JFF file, and the
>common frame triggered a function upon new text, which decided which set
>needed to be loaded.
>But, scripting it up in an hour, now that's probably asking a bit much. I
>couldn't write the hello world program in an hour. <grin>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom R" <twr6444@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:15 PM
>Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: A last-gasp attempt at this 3270 problem of mine
>
>
>Steve,
>Â
>Have you considered using Hotspot Clicker? You can control and load any
>number of key definition files you might need and then be able to reuse key
>assignments that are the same or similar. Just a thought.
>Â
>Tom
>
>________________________________
> From: Steve Matzura <number6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: jawsscripts <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:34 AM
>Subject: [jawsscripts] A last-gasp attempt at this 3270 problem of mine
>
>Yesterday I spent a very productive three hours framing, labeling,
>testing, triggering, and documenting a very busy screen on a
>3270-emulation-based application. This thing was dancing on the
>ceiling by the time I was finished with that screen. You could
>hot-key-read any one of 35 fields on the screen, with or without field
>names, which meant that I had to define two windows for each and every
>field, and just in case you wanted to modify any of those fields, you
>got a complimentary left-mouse-button click on that area of the screen
>which would force the PC Cursor to that location so you could type
>something in if so desired or if that area of the screen were even
>designated as a field in the 3270 window definition back on the
>application's home-base computer. Really neat stuff!
>
>Then, the second part of my day came crashing in. A summary screen
>consisting of eleven lines of what amounted to a history view of
>account activity in reverse chronological order, displayed in a
>spreadsheet type layout, which needed to be broken up into its
>individual fields, of which there were six per line, and searchable
>and/or filterable by certain criteria within the data, such as show
>only payments, show only bills, show only meter readings, etc.
>Ideally, this should be available from the application itself, but it
>isn't. If JAWS had the capability to define frames within frames, and
>I don't mean just define another separate frame that just so happens
>to be a sub-area of another frame, or if the ability existed to load a
>separate set of frames and hot-key triggers for different screens all
>with the same window name or control ID, I'd be set! Anybody remember
>old JFD and how you could do stuf like that back then? I was also
>thinking of trying to write a script which could navigate these eleven
>lines of data and read only those lines where certain information was
>displayed, like the code or text to indicate a payment, for example,
>so the end-user could press a key and have the eleven lines filtered
>the way they needed, but I couldn't for the life of me figure a way to
>do this and get it coded in an hour or two! Frames are great things,
>but they're not smart in any way, shape or form. You can't tell a
>frame "read this if you contain certain data, keep silent otherwise."
>At least, I don't *think* you can. The only possible way I could think
>of to do this was if the information was color-coded in some way, but
>it isn't. Everything on the screen is the same color except the
>modifiable fields, of which there turned out not to be all that many.
>
>And I haven't even gotten to tell you about another data select screen
>where you put a selection mark in front of a summary line, hit a
>function key, and get one of half a dozen selectable new screens with
>detailed information on the summary item you selected! An incredible
>amount of data is available through this system. I've been in the
>data-mining industry for years, but not since I worked on stuff for
>the securities industry have I seen stuff like I saw yesterday. And
>they want the customer rep who operates this thing to have access to
>it all so that customers can check on any aspect of their account with
>this company. The customer service industry has come a long way. The
>reports this system produces must be real eye-openers!
>
>... but I digress ...
>
>Then there's the question of just how many key combinations can one
>person be expected to remember for one little old application if I
>were to define frames for every single field on every single screen,
>most of which wouldn't even make sense to be used as such, not to
>mention I'd run outa keys before I ran outa fields!
>
>It was for this reason that I have prepared a report, not yet
>submitted, that states that scripting for this application will not go
>far enough to satisfy the access requirements of a JAWS user to work
>with it and get the job done for which the application was originally
>written in any kind of efficient manner. However, before I submit this
>report, I thought I'd throw it out to you all for one last-gasp effort
>to see if there's anything I haven't tried that I should, etc. Your
>input greatly sought and appreciated.
>
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