[JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes

hmmm, alright I can understand that.

but that should clear when I turn it off and restart it, shouldn't it? it 
would seem so to me at least. though I need to try it with the new "start as 
a service" type shortcut maybe that will make some difference, not sure, 
but?

inthane
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:16 PM
Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes


> The reason for this is, jaws is taken out of ram. Sure parts are in
> the hyberstate part, but the main program is gone and jaws oh mighty
> can't get it back like the rest can.
>
> At 09:16 PM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
>>the advantage is I can be working in the car, need to take care of 
>>something
>>else, turn the comp to hibernation mode without even closing the documents 
>>I
>>have open, use less battery power, and restart exactly where I was!
>>
>>that is if jaws would stop throwing fits, didn't have this trouble on my 
>>old
>>LT, why this one, arhrhrhrhrhrg!
>>
>>inthane
>>proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>for blind computer users and programmers
>>http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>"own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>>www.alacorncomputer.com
>>Owner: Agemtree
>>"merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
>>www.agemtree.com
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:51 AM
>>Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I see no advantage to using hibernation mode over complete system shut
>> > down.
>> > I always turn off my computer overnight, and use standby mode whenever 
>> > I
>> > plan to be away from it for a prolonged period during the day.  A 
>> > computer
>> > in hibernation mode boots a little faster than one that is being 
>> > powered
>> > on
>> > from shut down, but what's my hurry?  Besides, even in hibernation 
>> > mode, a
>> > computer uses some juice, and my electric bill is high enough already.
>> >
>> > Gerald
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <merlin739@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:31 AM
>> > Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I use hibernation all the time without any problems. I am using XP
>> >> home SPF3 and latest Jaws 10.
>> >>
>> >> I have been advised to do a reboot at least once a week to clear out
>> >> any thing that could be a potential problem. I don't understand why
>> >> FS is against hibernation. I do remember that hibernation was a
>> >> problem with Windows 98 and I always had to do a shutdown.
>> >>
>> >> Lennie
>> >>
>> >> At 12:22 AM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
>> >>>I hesitate to say anything here, since I don't have a solution, but 
>> >>>this
>> >>>sounds like problems I have when I'm running JAWS as an application
>> >>>instead
>> >>>of a service or when I'm having trouble with the video interceptor. On 
>> >>>my
>> >>>home PC, I haven't taken the time yet to figure out how to restart JFW 
>> >>>as
>> >>>a
>> >>>service, although I used to be able to do that. On my office system, I
>> >>>have
>> >>>trouble with the video interceptor when I restart JFW, but I haven't
>> >>>taken
>> >>>the time to dig into that one either.
>> >>>
>> >>>--
>> >>>Christopher
>> >>>chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>[mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >>>On Behalf Of Stumpy
>> >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:58 AM
>> >>>To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>> >>>
>> >>>I haven't been following this thread closely, but this happens to me
>> >>>almost
>> >>>every time I'm in OE and try to review what I have written.
>> >>>
>> >>>         Scott
>> >>>
>> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:10 AM
>> >>>Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > something along those lines here as well, but mine's the fact that
>> >>> > jaws
>> >>> > will
>> >>> > not read any edit field, even when I know there is items in it, and
>> >>> > still
>> >>> > will not even after a close and restart of jaws.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > the only way to get reading correct again is a total shut down and
>> >>> > restart.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > inthane
>> >>> > proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>> >>> > for blind computer users and programmers
>> >>> > http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>> >>> > Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>> >>> > "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>> >>> > www.alacorncomputer.com
>> >>> > Owner: Agemtree
>> >>> > "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
>> >>> > www.agemtree.com
>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> > From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:28 AM
>> >>> > Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> you hybernate or standby? I can't get jaws10 to work at all with
>> >>> >> that,
>> >>> >> and
>> >>> >> I
>> >>> >> used to use that all the time without a problem. I have to kill 
>> >>> >> all
>> >>> >> my
>> >>> >> apps
>> >>> >> and restart jaws and sometimes run narrator to get out of the 
>> >>> >> lockup
>> >>> >> after
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> standby.  Others have said they don't recommend using it -- how 
>> >>> >> are
>> >>> >> you
>> >>> >> getting it to work?
>> >>> >> Thanks.
>> >>> >> --le
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:08 PM
>> >>> >> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Although I think it's a good idea to power your system down when 
>> >>> >> not
>> >>> >> using it, saving power, protecting yourself from port scanning
>> >>> >> attacks
>> >>> >> and so on, there are plenty of reasons to be able to run the 
>> >>> >> computer
>> >>> >> overnight from time to time, such as performing a backup,
>> >>> >> defragmenting
>> >>> >> the hard drive, scanning for malware, downloading or transferring
>> >>> >> files,
>> >>> >> etc. Besides, any OS or OS/screen reader combination should be 
>> >>> >> able
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> run for more than 16 hours or so.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> If you're boot time is really long, you may want to look into a 
>> >>> >> few
>> >>> >> things to help speed that up. You've probably already done these, 
>> >>> >> but
>> >>> >> remove any programs you're not using, look at the programs that 
>> >>> >> get
>> >>> >> started automatically and disable those you don't need all of the
>> >>> >> time,
>> >>> >> scan your drive for malware, rung disk clean and defragment your 
>> >>> >> hard
>> >>> >> drive and think about adding some memory if you're at 1G or less.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I also wouldn't worry about the wear and tare on your hard drive 
>> >>> >> from
>> >>> >> rebooting once a day. I'm not saying rebooting isn't hard on your
>> >>> >> hard
>> >>> >> drive, but I don't think it's any harder on your drive than say a
>> >>> >> virus
>> >>> >> scan. Plus as inexpensive as storage has become, I would think the
>> >>> >> real
>> >>> >> cost of dealing with a hard drive crash is the time lost 
>> >>> >> recovering
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> system and the data. This can be mitigated with a good back up 
>> >>> >> plan.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> BTW, I'm running JFW 10 and Windows XP on this system, and I don't
>> >>> >> have
>> >>> >> any problem with hibernation, stand by or system crashes. Unless 
>> >>> >> I'm
>> >>> >> performing some overnight system maintenance, I generally 
>> >>> >> hibernate
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> system or put it in stand by overnight. The only time I reboot the
>> >>> >> system routinely is on the weekend when I perform my more 
>> >>> >> aggressive
>> >>> >> system maintenance. Knock on wood!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 7/4/2009 2:34 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
>> >>> >>> One more reason: Constant rebooting apparently causes damage to 
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> hard
>> >>> >>> drive. Over time I'm advised that the cost of dealing with hard
>> >>> >>> drive
>> >>> >>> problems would be greater than the energy cost of keeping the
>> >>> >>> computer
>> >>> >>> going
>> >>> >>> all the time. I'm not happy with this situation, but the source 
>> >>> >>> of
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> advice is impeccable.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> That said, I also have to reboot more often than I'd like. It's 
>> >>> >>> as
>> >>> >>> if
>> >>> >>> JAWS
>> >>> >>> gets weary after heavy use and announces it's time for a nap.
>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >>> From: "tribble"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> To:<jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:07 PM
>> >>> >>> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> because bootup time on my system is incredibly long. Also, with
>> >>> >>> earlier
>> >>> >>> versions of jaws I could leave my system on for a week with no
>> >>> >>> problem.
>> >>> >>> Also, with earlier versions, standby and hybernate worked without 
>> >>> >>> a
>> >>> >>> problem.
>> >>> >>> I have changed the power options not to put the system on standby 
>> >>> >>> or
>> >>> >>> hybernate when I'm away for long periods, but now there is this
>> >>> >>> problem
>> >>> >>> with
>> >>> >>> jaws crashes. --le
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >>> From: "Gerald Levy"<bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> To:<jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:03 PM
>> >>> >>> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Why not just turn off your computer overnight if you're not using
>> >>> >>> it?
>> >>> >>> It
>> >>> >>> doesn't make sense to leave it on all the time and waste energy 
>> >>> >>> if
>> >>> >>> you're
>> >>> >>> not using it. I find that booting up every morning usually fixes
>> >>> >>> minor
>> >>> >>> problems from the previous day.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Gerald
>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> >>> From: "tribble"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> To:<jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>> >>> >>> Subject: [JAWSLite] perpetual jaws crashes
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Ok, this has been a longstanding problem, but is especially
>> >>> >>> happening
>> >>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> jaws 10 -- I am running the latest version, 10.0.1154 I leave my
>> >>> >>> computer
>> >>> >>> running with a few apps open, sometimes just for an hour, 
>> >>> >>> sometimes
>> >>> >>> overnight, and when I return, jaws will have crashed with 
>> >>> >>> narrator
>> >>> >>> reading
>> >>> >>> something about call of a pure virtual function in the runtime
>> >>> >>> library.
>> >>> >>> This
>> >>> >>> could either be due to reckless coding practices in jaws or else
>> >>> >>> whatever
>> >>> >>> runtime library is getting called isn't matching the program. Is
>> >>> >>> this
>> >>> >>> happening to anyone else? It happens so often I can generally 
>> >>> >>> count
>> >>> >>> on
>> >>> >>> it
>> >>> >>> happening every night, which is really unacceptable. It's been a
>> >>> >>> long
>> >>> >>> time
>> >>> >>> since I've programmed in C++ but essentially this type of error
>> >>> >>> should
>> >>> >>> have
>> >>> >>> been caught at compile time and should not be a runtime error.
>> >>> >>> Anyway,I
>> >>> >>> think one way to prevent it is to unload jaws overnight.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> The apps I was running last night were IE7, Word 2003 with a new
>> >>> >>> empty
>> >>> >>> file,
>> >>> >>> and windows explorer. I didn't even have OE running. I am on an 
>> >>> >>> XP
>> >>> >>> Pro
>> >>> >>> system. Suggestions welcome. Thanx and happy independence 
>> >>> >>> day! --le
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>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
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>> >>> >> chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
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