[JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes

The reason for this is, jaws is taken out of ram. Sure parts are in 
the hyberstate part, but the main program is gone and jaws oh mighty 
can't get it back like the rest can.

At 09:16 PM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
>the advantage is I can be working in the car, need to take care of something
>else, turn the comp to hibernation mode without even closing the documents I
>have open, use less battery power, and restart exactly where I was!
>
>that is if jaws would stop throwing fits, didn't have this trouble on my old
>LT, why this one, arhrhrhrhrhrg!
>
>inthane
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:51 AM
>Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
>
>
> >
> > I see no advantage to using hibernation mode over complete system shut
> > down.
> > I always turn off my computer overnight, and use standby mode whenever I
> > plan to be away from it for a prolonged period during the day.  A computer
> > in hibernation mode boots a little faster than one that is being powered
> > on
> > from shut down, but what's my hurry?  Besides, even in hibernation mode, a
> > computer uses some juice, and my electric bill is high enough already.
> >
> > Gerald
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <merlin739@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:31 AM
> > Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I use hibernation all the time without any problems. I am using XP
> >> home SPF3 and latest Jaws 10.
> >>
> >> I have been advised to do a reboot at least once a week to clear out
> >> any thing that could be a potential problem. I don't understand why
> >> FS is against hibernation. I do remember that hibernation was a
> >> problem with Windows 98 and I always had to do a shutdown.
> >>
> >> Lennie
> >>
> >> At 12:22 AM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
> >>>I hesitate to say anything here, since I don't have a solution, but this
> >>>sounds like problems I have when I'm running JAWS as an application
> >>>instead
> >>>of a service or when I'm having trouble with the video interceptor. On my
> >>>home PC, I haven't taken the time yet to figure out how to restart JFW as
> >>>a
> >>>service, although I used to be able to do that. On my office system, I
> >>>have
> >>>trouble with the video interceptor when I restart JFW, but I haven't
> >>>taken
> >>>the time to dig into that one either.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Christopher
> >>>chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>[mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>On Behalf Of Stumpy
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:58 AM
> >>>To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
> >>>
> >>>I haven't been following this thread closely, but this happens to me
> >>>almost
> >>>every time I'm in OE and try to review what I have written.
> >>>
> >>>         Scott
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:10 AM
> >>>Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > something along those lines here as well, but mine's the fact that
> >>> > jaws
> >>> > will
> >>> > not read any edit field, even when I know there is items in it, and
> >>> > still
> >>> > will not even after a close and restart of jaws.
> >>> >
> >>> > the only way to get reading correct again is a total shut down and
> >>> > restart.
> >>> >
> >>> > inthane
> >>> > proprietor, The Grab Bag,
> >>> > for blind computer users and programmers
> >>> > http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
> >>> > Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
> >>> > "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
> >>> > www.alacorncomputer.com
> >>> > Owner: Agemtree
> >>> > "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
> >>> > www.agemtree.com
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:28 AM
> >>> > Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> you hybernate or standby? I can't get jaws10 to work at all with
> >>> >> that,
> >>> >> and
> >>> >> I
> >>> >> used to use that all the time without a problem. I have to kill all
> >>> >> my
> >>> >> apps
> >>> >> and restart jaws and sometimes run narrator to get out of the lockup
> >>> >> after
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> standby.  Others have said they don't recommend using it -- how are
> >>> >> you
> >>> >> getting it to work?
> >>> >> Thanks.
> >>> >> --le
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:08 PM
> >>> >> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Although I think it's a good idea to power your system down when not
> >>> >> using it, saving power, protecting yourself from port scanning
> >>> >> attacks
> >>> >> and so on, there are plenty of reasons to be able to run the computer
> >>> >> overnight from time to time, such as performing a backup,
> >>> >> defragmenting
> >>> >> the hard drive, scanning for malware, downloading or transferring
> >>> >> files,
> >>> >> etc. Besides, any OS or OS/screen reader combination should be able
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> run for more than 16 hours or so.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If you're boot time is really long, you may want to look into a few
> >>> >> things to help speed that up. You've probably already done these, but
> >>> >> remove any programs you're not using, look at the programs that get
> >>> >> started automatically and disable those you don't need all of the
> >>> >> time,
> >>> >> scan your drive for malware, rung disk clean and defragment your hard
> >>> >> drive and think about adding some memory if you're at 1G or less.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I also wouldn't worry about the wear and tare on your hard drive from
> >>> >> rebooting once a day. I'm not saying rebooting isn't hard on your
> >>> >> hard
> >>> >> drive, but I don't think it's any harder on your drive than say a
> >>> >> virus
> >>> >> scan. Plus as inexpensive as storage has become, I would think the
> >>> >> real
> >>> >> cost of dealing with a hard drive crash is the time lost recovering
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> system and the data. This can be mitigated with a good back up plan.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> BTW, I'm running JFW 10 and Windows XP on this system, and I don't
> >>> >> have
> >>> >> any problem with hibernation, stand by or system crashes. Unless I'm
> >>> >> performing some overnight system maintenance, I generally hibernate
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> system or put it in stand by overnight. The only time I reboot the
> >>> >> system routinely is on the weekend when I perform my more aggressive
> >>> >> system maintenance. Knock on wood!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 7/4/2009 2:34 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
> >>> >>> One more reason: Constant rebooting apparently causes damage to the
> >>> >>> hard
> >>> >>> drive. Over time I'm advised that the cost of dealing with hard
> >>> >>> drive
> >>> >>> problems would be greater than the energy cost of keeping the
> >>> >>> computer
> >>> >>> going
> >>> >>> all the time. I'm not happy with this situation, but the source of
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> advice is impeccable.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> That said, I also have to reboot more often than I'd like. It's as
> >>> >>> if
> >>> >>> JAWS
> >>> >>> gets weary after heavy use and announces it's time for a nap.
> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> From: "tribble"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> To:<jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:07 PM
> >>> >>> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> because bootup time on my system is incredibly long. Also, with
> >>> >>> earlier
> >>> >>> versions of jaws I could leave my system on for a week with no
> >>> >>> problem.
> >>> >>> Also, with earlier versions, standby and hybernate worked without a
> >>> >>> problem.
> >>> >>> I have changed the power options not to put the system on standby or
> >>> >>> hybernate when I'm away for long periods, but now there is this
> >>> >>> problem
> >>> >>> with
> >>> >>> jaws crashes. --le
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> From: "Gerald Levy"<bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> To:<jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:03 PM
> >>> >>> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: perpetual jaws crashes
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Why not just turn off your computer overnight if you're not using
> >>> >>> it?
> >>> >>> It
> >>> >>> doesn't make sense to leave it on all the time and waste energy if
> >>> >>> you're
> >>> >>> not using it. I find that booting up every morning usually fixes
> >>> >>> minor
> >>> >>> problems from the previous day.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Gerald
> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>> From: "tribble"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> To:<jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:51 PM
> >>> >>> Subject: [JAWSLite] perpetual jaws crashes
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Ok, this has been a longstanding problem, but is especially
> >>> >>> happening
> >>> >>> in
> >>> >>> jaws 10 -- I am running the latest version, 10.0.1154 I leave my
> >>> >>> computer
> >>> >>> running with a few apps open, sometimes just for an hour, sometimes
> >>> >>> overnight, and when I return, jaws will have crashed with narrator
> >>> >>> reading
> >>> >>> something about call of a pure virtual function in the runtime
> >>> >>> library.
> >>> >>> This
> >>> >>> could either be due to reckless coding practices in jaws or else
> >>> >>> whatever
> >>> >>> runtime library is getting called isn't matching the program. Is
> >>> >>> this
> >>> >>> happening to anyone else? It happens so often I can generally count
> >>> >>> on
> >>> >>> it
> >>> >>> happening every night, which is really unacceptable. It's been a
> >>> >>> long
> >>> >>> time
> >>> >>> since I've programmed in C++ but essentially this type of error
> >>> >>> should
> >>> >>> have
> >>> >>> been caught at compile time and should not be a runtime error.
> >>> >>> Anyway,I
> >>> >>> think one way to prevent it is to unload jaws overnight.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> The apps I was running last night were IE7, Word 2003 with a new
> >>> >>> empty
> >>> >>> file,
> >>> >>> and windows explorer. I didn't even have OE running. I am on an XP
> >>> >>> Pro
> >>> >>> system. Suggestions welcome. Thanx and happy independence day! --le
> >>> >>>
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> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Christopher
> >>> >> chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
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