[JAWSLite] Re: List of hotkeys in a dialogue box using Jaws

I know you have it up there, but just thought I may as well 'mention' it on this list just in case. 

No worries.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message ----- From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:01 AM
Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: List of hotkeys in a dialogue box using Jaws
I know about Jamal's windig application, since I have links to all his programs on my grabbag site, I volunteered to be his application face plate until he can make some reworking of his home page, but found it as you put it a bit technical for me, but thanks for all the info, it may be of good use in future endeavors. 

have a good one,
inthane
. For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: 
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: List of hotkeys in a dialogue box using Jaws
I think I will send a 'report' on to MS, but, FWIW, I have for now sort of worked around the problem after some of the guys on the program-l mailing list reminded me of the WinDig software I'd actually downloaded a while ago, but hadn't tried yet.
Basically, if you run it after a window/dialogue is already open, and then select the specific window/dialogue, it will actually attempt to document all of the control structure of the relevant thing, including listing all of the hotkeys etc. Unfortunately, it still doesn't give you the hotkey of a control that hasn't as such had any accessibility information linked to it (including some of the controls I was specifically looking at getting to), but during that discussion, one of the other guys also told me about a sort of workaround for getting to the Add/Remove Windows components button (down arrow from the normal change/remove button), so I could again 'test' the Shift + numpad 5 key combo, and it again said 'no hotkey'.
Anyway, in terms of the more specific problem I had trying to restore that MSSQL Db, the information it reported to me did in fact help me to find what I wanted since it was at least mentioning some of the controls there that I had sort of forgotten about, which got me back on track. 

The URL to download that piece of software from Jamal Masry's site is:
http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/wdsetup.exe
Little bit technical for some people, and the one thing to remember is that in the reporting text file that it will create, that hotkeys are rendered as & (ampersand) characters before the relevant letter since that's sort of how you implement them while programming in certain scenarios, but it might be interesting to check out anyway. 

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message ----- From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: List of hotkeys in a dialogue box using Jaws
that sounds like the one I was thinking of, though I thought it, or another one gave the hot keys, sigh, may be misremembering though! gads what a mess, frack!
alright, maybe you can make a report to the jaws 9 beta test E mail and they may... be able to do something with it, I donno, but maybe.
I would as well post the problem to the Microsoft accessibility group at: 
enable@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

if enough folks report it it should get a look into if nothing else.

take care and good luck,
inthane
. For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: 
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
. to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: 
http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:46 PM
Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: List of hotkeys in a dialogue box using Jaws
Looking through the docs for Jaws, I think the one you are referring to is Jaws key + B, which while it does read the whole dialogue box, doesn't mention those specific buttons/controls I'm talking about every time.
One more thing is that when I now retested this in the Add/remove programs dialogue box, and used the Alt + W hotkey to start that part of the process, while it did in fact put focus on the Add/remove windows components button, when I then used the Shift + numpad 5 key combo to readed me the hotkey, it in fact said something along the lines of 'no hotkey assigned', which is obviously rubbish since the non-existent hotkey just put focus on that button. 

Oh well...
Will have to get some sighted people to help and will start documenting the 'missing' controls or something. LOL! 

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message ----- From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: List of hotkeys in a dialogue box using Jaws
in add/remove I usually used the jaws cursor to "click the tab" or button whatever it is now, that's one area that MS really did us a disservice!
I think there is a jaws keystroke that reads out the items in a dialog and, I think... gives you the hot keys for them, I don't have my notes for it handy, but I got it out of the overall keystroke listings for jaws in the help menu. just like I found some specialty "mouse over" commands there. 

HTH,
inthane
. For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: 
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
. to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: 
http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: [JAWSLite] List of hotkeys in a dialogue box using Jaws



Hi there.

A question on my part.
Basically when using certain programs, and a dialogue box pops up for whatever, where I know there certain controls that for some reason don't seem to be in the 'tab list', but which I am relatively certain have Alt + hotkeys assigned to them, I would like to be able to somehow obtain a list of the available hotkey combinations - preferably with the relevant description/label for that control.
A couple of examples are in the 'add/remove programs' dialogue which you get to from the control panel in windows xp. It has a button to allow you to add/remove windows components etc. which is accessed using Alt + W, but which you can't tab to.
The other one that now brought this up in my head is that in MS SQL server 2003, when I want to restore a backup of a database that I got from someone else, once I select the from filegroups or files option, I know there is a button which would allow me to select the relevant backup file(s), but which I can't right now remember the shortcut key for.
Anyway, do any of you guys know of some way to work around/access this sort of thing?
FWIW, am using Jaws 8/9 on a Windows XP Pro machine. Also, for some of these problems, things like NVDA work better since you can 'navigate' from parent-child-sibling object in these situations. 

Thanks in advance

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

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