[JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon

Well, as usual, I disagree with everything you're saying here, no
surprise!

Yes, the Ultra *is* based on the Oqo; anyone can called GW and confirm
this.

It was easier to use 2 words "generic counterpart" than go through all
this tediousness you've raised, but I still believe they're use is
acceptible.  The Oqo is an Ultra without Window Eyes.  My local Window
Eyes dealer has confirmed this, and will sell me either an Ultra or an
Oqo (which he aquires somewhere else).

You seem so surprised  and indignant that GW has done something to the
Ultra and therefore raised the price!!??  Oh my gosh, what a concept to
get outraged about, value added!

I believe you as a jaws dealer sell jaws for more than you pay, and you
don't even add value!

Chip





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Chip Orange
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Florida Public Service Commission

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:15 AM
> To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> 
> Of course they would've gotten permission. My point was 
> simply that the
> Oqo is not a generic counterpart, it is the brand name. The 
> Ultra isn't
> the machine on which the Oqo is based, which is what the term "generic
> counterpart" implies; the Ultra isn't even based on the Oqo, 
> it *is* an
> Oqo with a higher price tag and a new name. So if anything, 
> the Ultra is
> the generic counterpart to the Oqo, only unlike most generic
> counterparts, it's higher priced.
> 
> bruce
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:05:11 -0400, "DJ" <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx> said:
> > Surely they would have done that with permission.  That is 
> how lots of
> > business is done here.  Look in the grocery stores.  Many off-brand
> > products
> > are produced by the big-name companies.
> > 
> > BTW, there sure seems to be a lot of growing hostility in these here
> > parts
> > lately.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:10 PM
> > To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> > 
> > The Oqo is not the generic counterpart, or counter-part as 
> you put it, of
> > the Smalltalk Ultra. The Smalltak Ultra *is* an Oqo which 
> GW Micro took,
> > unmodified, raised the price on, and called it their own.
> > 
> > Bruce
> > 
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> > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Chip Orange wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > I think your idea is spot-on.
> > >
> > > In vista, there's free speech recognition built-in, which is 
> > > reportedly as accurate as that of Dragon, and MS has just 
> released a 
> > > beta of an add-on product for the speech recognition 
> which gives it 
> > > macros capability (the product is referred to as WSR 
> macros, and it's 
> > > downloadable if you search for it).
> > >
> > > I'm switching to window eyes, not intending to start any 
> arguments 
> > > here, but I'm going to use it's scripting facility to 
> interface it 
> > > with the speech recognition macros, to do just what you 
> describe: a 
> > > very light-weight interface to give us a 
> talking/listening computer.  
> > > I'm sure anyone determined enough can do the same with the jaws 
> > > scripting facility.
> > >
> > > It sounds like Dragon has an API of some sort, and I  
> know that some 
> > > versions (I think professional?) have scripting 
> capabilities, so it 
> > > should be possible to have the same light-weight interface using 
> > > Dragon scripting.
> > >
> > > Maybe someone could even use the SayTools from Jamal 
> Mazrui so that 
> > > it's screen-reader independent (if the dragon scripts can 
> interface 
> > > with SayTools that is).
> > >
> > > I think your quite right about where interfaces are 
> going; and once 
> > > you consider this idea, have a look at the SmallTalk 
> Ultra being sold 
> > > by GW, or it's generic counter-part from Oqo.  It's a 
> fully functional 
> > > laptop computer (with a 120 gb hard drive or 64 gb 
> solid-state drive), 
> > > that weighs around 1 pound and can clip to your belt.  It's got 
> > > Bluetooth and wifi built-in, and an optional ev-do card.  
> You could 
> > > use a bluetooth headset to talk to it and have it talk to 
> you, wear it 
> > > on your belt, and go somewhere with your hands free and have your 
> > > computer available to you at any time.  Maybe even someone will 
> > > develope some talking GPS software for it????
> > >
> > > FYI, if this interests you, it's been told to me that you can buy 
> > > models with faster processor and more money from Oqo, or an Oqo 
> > > dealer, than the Ultra being sold by GW Micro, but I 
> haven't verified 
> > > this for certain.  Perhaps GW would order you the same 
> enhanced models 
> > > if you want; their thing is that they only sell it with a copy of 
> > > window eyes installed.
> > >
> > > I've seen it in use, with an omni-directional barcode scanner 
> > > attached, clipped to someone's belt, and using wifi and a 
> free window 
> > > eyes script which let it lookup the scanned barcode on an 
> internet 
> > > database and give you an instantaneous product 
> description.  It was a 
> > > very impressive demo of what a computer without a 
> keyboard can be used
> > for.
> > >
> > > Nice brain-storming with you; please let me know if you 
> come up with 
> > > anything along these lines.
> > >
> > > Chip
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Chip Orange
> > > Database Administrator
> > > Florida Public Service Commission
> > >
> > > Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > (850) 413-6314
> > >
> > > (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not 
> > > necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service 
> Commission.)
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Bullis
> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:22 PM
> > >> To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: [JAWSLite] Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure this subject has come up many times and there 
> is probably 
> > >> some obvious reason for why the proposal I'm going to 
> make hasn't 
> > >> been done, but I'd sure like to know it.
> > >>
> > >> I recently began some experimentation with jsay, the commercial 
> > >> program that interfaces with Dragon Naturally Speaking.  
> Although the 
> > >> program has some nice features, I'm not sure it doesn't 
> do far more 
> > >> than it needs to do and I'm troubled by the numerous 
> times it seems 
> > >> to actually slow down my ability to use dragon.
> > >>
> > >> I've been a dragon user for a couple of years without 
> jsay or any 
> > >> jaws scripts.  Yes, there are features I can't use as I 
> would like, 
> > >> but, I do use the program fairly effectively.  What I'd 
> really like 
> > >> are simply a few scripts that allow access to the Dragon 
> bar more 
> > >> easily and to the correction box.  Jaws sometimes loses 
> focus and 
> > >> can't read specific information dragon is trying to 
> convey.  But, I'm 
> > >> not sure creating an entire interface as jsay does is really the 
> > >> answer.
> > >> So, I'm wondering why somebody doesn't just create some 
> jaws scripts 
> > >> and sell them for a bit of cash.  I think that for the 
> sighted as 
> > >> well as the blind the era is coming when most of us talk to our 
> > >> computers.  I don't think that the sighted public will type when 
> > >> there is an alternative.
> > >> Dragon is much more user friendly than it has been in 
> the past and 
> > >> training that use to be time consuming is now very very 
> quick and 
> > >> easy.  Being able to put information on a page at 200 
> words a minute 
> > >> is really liberating, and I say that as someone who is a 
> pretty fast 
> > >> typist.  But, I can't compete with Dragon.  Furthermore, 
> there is 
> > >> never a mis-spelled word with Dragon.
> > >> Yes, there are wrong words, but not mis-spelled ones.  Even this 
> > >> wrong word phenomena goes away once one learns how to 
> tell Dragon 
> > >> what you meant.
> > >>
> > >> So, are there some scripts out there that I just can't find?
> > >> Or, are there
> > >> some reasons that I'm not considering as to why scripts 
> haven't been 
> > >> developed?
> > >> Mike Bullis
> > >> Baltimore Maryland
> > >>
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