[JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon

Hi Mike,

If you don't care for the GW documentation, you can always get a
third-party tutorial for window eyes.  Access Technology Institute might
be one source.  However, scripting is a geeky kind of thing.  There's
some help there from Jamal Mazrui, who has written a window eyes
scripting tutorial.

As for windows speech macros, surprisingly, I've seen no evidence it's
beta, or little evidence, and when I reported a problem, I spoke
directly (many times via email) to a developer, who turned out to be the
original author of jaws version 1!!!  That makes the world a small place
in my book.  (no, it's not the famed Ted Hinter, can't remember the guys
name but he pointed me to a wiki article on the history of jaws when I
mentioned to him that I hadn't recognized his name).

The problem I encountered is that when I used windows speech macros to
insert keystrokes to cause a change on screen, neither screen reader
read the results of the changes (usually).  He explained to me that they
read aloud almost always because they intercept keystrokes and are
triggered by them to do the reading, but they aren't intercepting the
keystrokes introduced by macro programs.  This is why I need a
programmatic interface to the screen reader so that I can cause it to
read from a windows scripting macro.

Chip





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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Bullis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:34 AM
> To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> 
> Thanks for the response.  I too think that we're at the edge 
> of real speech
> to computers.  It's far more difficult than anyone would have 
> thought thirty
> years ago but still, it's coming.  
> 
> I spent some time studying the Windoweyes manual lately to 
> take a look at
> new features and am still troubled by the far to geeky 
> descriptions of how
> to get things done.  Clearly it's far more powerful than 
> Jaws.  They just
> need someone who can explain it in normal speak.
> 
> I'll do some testing with the new Vista SR and see how it compares to
> Dragon.  If you have any luck with the WSR macros let me know 
> off list.
> They describe it as pre-beta so it'll be interesting to see 
> how far you get.
> Thanks very much for the feedback.
> Mike bullis
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:05 PM
> To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I think your idea is spot-on.
> 
> In vista, there's free speech recognition built-in, which is 
> reportedly as
> accurate as that of Dragon, and MS has just released a beta 
> of an add-on
> product for the speech recognition which gives it macros 
> capability (the
> product is referred to as WSR macros, and it's downloadable 
> if you search
> for it).
> 
> I'm switching to window eyes, not intending to start any 
> arguments here, but
> I'm going to use it's scripting facility to interface it with 
> the speech
> recognition macros, to do just what you describe: a very light-weight
> interface to give us a talking/listening computer.  I'm sure anyone
> determined enough can do the same with the jaws scripting facility.
> 
> It sounds like Dragon has an API of some sort, and I  know that some
> versions (I think professional?) have scripting capabilities, 
> so it should
> be possible to have the same light-weight interface using 
> Dragon scripting.
> 
> 
> Maybe someone could even use the SayTools from Jamal Mazrui 
> so that it's
> screen-reader independent (if the dragon scripts can 
> interface with SayTools
> that is).
> 
> I think your quite right about where interfaces are going; 
> and once you
> consider this idea, have a look at the SmallTalk Ultra being 
> sold by GW, or
> it's generic counter-part from Oqo.  It's a fully functional 
> laptop computer
> (with a 120 gb hard drive or 64 gb solid-state drive), that 
> weighs around 1
> pound and can clip to your belt.  It's got Bluetooth and wifi 
> built-in, and
> an optional ev-do card.  You could use a bluetooth headset to 
> talk to it and
> have it talk to you, wear it on your belt, and go somewhere 
> with your hands
> free and have your computer available to you at any time.  Maybe even
> someone will develope some talking GPS software for it????
> 
> FYI, if this interests you, it's been told to me that you can 
> buy models
> with faster processor and more money from Oqo, or an Oqo 
> dealer, than the
> Ultra being sold by GW Micro, but I haven't verified this for certain.
> Perhaps GW would order you the same enhanced models if you 
> want; their thing
> is that they only sell it with a copy of window eyes installed.
> 
> I've seen it in use, with an omni-directional barcode scanner 
> attached,
> clipped to someone's belt, and using wifi and a free window 
> eyes script
> which let it lookup the scanned barcode on an internet 
> database and give you
> an instantaneous product description.  It was a very 
> impressive demo of what
> a computer without a keyboard can be used for.
> 
> Nice brain-storming with you; please let me know if you come up with
> anything along these lines.
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Chip Orange
> Database Administrator
> Florida Public Service Commission
> 
> Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> (850) 413-6314
> 
>  (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
> necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Bullis
> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:22 PM
> > To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [JAWSLite] Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> > 
> > I'm sure this subject has come up many times and there is probably 
> > some obvious reason for why the proposal I'm going to make 
> hasn't been 
> > done, but I'd sure like to know it.
> >  
> > I recently began some experimentation with jsay, the commercial 
> > program that interfaces with Dragon Naturally Speaking.  
> Although the 
> > program has some nice features, I'm not sure it doesn't do far more 
> > than it needs to do and I'm troubled by the numerous times 
> it seems to 
> > actually slow down my ability to use dragon.
> >  
> > I've been a dragon user for a couple of years without jsay 
> or any jaws 
> > scripts.  Yes, there are features I can't use as I would 
> like, but, I 
> > do use the program fairly effectively.  What I'd really like are 
> > simply a few scripts that allow access to the Dragon bar 
> more easily 
> > and to the correction box.  Jaws sometimes loses focus and 
> can't read 
> > specific information dragon is trying to convey.  But, I'm not sure 
> > creating an entire interface as jsay does is really the answer.
> > So, I'm wondering why somebody doesn't just create some 
> jaws scripts 
> > and sell them for a bit of cash.  I think that for the 
> sighted as well 
> > as the blind the era is coming when most of us talk to our 
> computers.  
> > I don't think that the sighted public will type when there is an 
> > alternative.
> > Dragon is much more user friendly than it has been in the past and 
> > training that use to be time consuming is now very very quick and 
> > easy.  Being able to put information on a page at 200 words 
> a minute 
> > is really liberating, and I say that as someone who is a 
> pretty fast 
> > typist.  But, I can't compete with Dragon.  Furthermore, there is 
> > never a mis-spelled word with Dragon.
> > Yes, there are wrong words, but not mis-spelled ones.  Even 
> this wrong 
> > word phenomena goes away once one learns how to tell Dragon 
> what you 
> > meant.
> >  
> > So, are there some scripts out there that I just can't find?  
> > Or, are there
> > some reasons that I'm not considering as to why scripts 
> haven't been 
> > developed?
> > Mike Bullis
> > Baltimore Maryland
> >  
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