[JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon

Of course they would've gotten permission. My point was simply that the
Oqo is not a generic counterpart, it is the brand name. The Ultra isn't
the machine on which the Oqo is based, which is what the term "generic
counterpart" implies; the Ultra isn't even based on the Oqo, it *is* an
Oqo with a higher price tag and a new name. So if anything, the Ultra is
the generic counterpart to the Oqo, only unlike most generic
counterparts, it's higher priced.

bruce


On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:05:11 -0400, "DJ" <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx> said:
> Surely they would have done that with permission.  That is how lots of
> business is done here.  Look in the grocery stores.  Many off-brand
> products
> are produced by the big-name companies.
> 
> BTW, there sure seems to be a lot of growing hostility in these here
> parts
> lately.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:10 PM
> To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [JAWSLite] Re: Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> 
> The Oqo is not the generic counterpart, or counter-part as you put it, of
> the Smalltalk Ultra. The Smalltak Ultra *is* an Oqo which GW Micro took,
> unmodified, raised the price on, and called it their own.
> 
> Bruce
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> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Chip Orange wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I think your idea is spot-on.
> >
> > In vista, there's free speech recognition built-in, which is 
> > reportedly as accurate as that of Dragon, and MS has just released a 
> > beta of an add-on product for the speech recognition which gives it 
> > macros capability (the product is referred to as WSR macros, and it's 
> > downloadable if you search for it).
> >
> > I'm switching to window eyes, not intending to start any arguments 
> > here, but I'm going to use it's scripting facility to interface it 
> > with the speech recognition macros, to do just what you describe: a 
> > very light-weight interface to give us a talking/listening computer.  
> > I'm sure anyone determined enough can do the same with the jaws 
> > scripting facility.
> >
> > It sounds like Dragon has an API of some sort, and I  know that some 
> > versions (I think professional?) have scripting capabilities, so it 
> > should be possible to have the same light-weight interface using 
> > Dragon scripting.
> >
> > Maybe someone could even use the SayTools from Jamal Mazrui so that 
> > it's screen-reader independent (if the dragon scripts can interface 
> > with SayTools that is).
> >
> > I think your quite right about where interfaces are going; and once 
> > you consider this idea, have a look at the SmallTalk Ultra being sold 
> > by GW, or it's generic counter-part from Oqo.  It's a fully functional 
> > laptop computer (with a 120 gb hard drive or 64 gb solid-state drive), 
> > that weighs around 1 pound and can clip to your belt.  It's got 
> > Bluetooth and wifi built-in, and an optional ev-do card.  You could 
> > use a bluetooth headset to talk to it and have it talk to you, wear it 
> > on your belt, and go somewhere with your hands free and have your 
> > computer available to you at any time.  Maybe even someone will 
> > develope some talking GPS software for it????
> >
> > FYI, if this interests you, it's been told to me that you can buy 
> > models with faster processor and more money from Oqo, or an Oqo 
> > dealer, than the Ultra being sold by GW Micro, but I haven't verified 
> > this for certain.  Perhaps GW would order you the same enhanced models 
> > if you want; their thing is that they only sell it with a copy of 
> > window eyes installed.
> >
> > I've seen it in use, with an omni-directional barcode scanner 
> > attached, clipped to someone's belt, and using wifi and a free window 
> > eyes script which let it lookup the scanned barcode on an internet 
> > database and give you an instantaneous product description.  It was a 
> > very impressive demo of what a computer without a keyboard can be used
> for.
> >
> > Nice brain-storming with you; please let me know if you come up with 
> > anything along these lines.
> >
> > Chip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Chip Orange
> > Database Administrator
> > Florida Public Service Commission
> >
> > Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > (850) 413-6314
> >
> > (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not 
> > necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawslite-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Bullis
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:22 PM
> >> To: jawslite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [JAWSLite] Jaws Scripts for Dragon
> >>
> >> I'm sure this subject has come up many times and there is probably 
> >> some obvious reason for why the proposal I'm going to make hasn't 
> >> been done, but I'd sure like to know it.
> >>
> >> I recently began some experimentation with jsay, the commercial 
> >> program that interfaces with Dragon Naturally Speaking.  Although the 
> >> program has some nice features, I'm not sure it doesn't do far more 
> >> than it needs to do and I'm troubled by the numerous times it seems 
> >> to actually slow down my ability to use dragon.
> >>
> >> I've been a dragon user for a couple of years without jsay or any 
> >> jaws scripts.  Yes, there are features I can't use as I would like, 
> >> but, I do use the program fairly effectively.  What I'd really like 
> >> are simply a few scripts that allow access to the Dragon bar more 
> >> easily and to the correction box.  Jaws sometimes loses focus and 
> >> can't read specific information dragon is trying to convey.  But, I'm 
> >> not sure creating an entire interface as jsay does is really the 
> >> answer.
> >> So, I'm wondering why somebody doesn't just create some jaws scripts 
> >> and sell them for a bit of cash.  I think that for the sighted as 
> >> well as the blind the era is coming when most of us talk to our 
> >> computers.  I don't think that the sighted public will type when 
> >> there is an alternative.
> >> Dragon is much more user friendly than it has been in the past and 
> >> training that use to be time consuming is now very very quick and 
> >> easy.  Being able to put information on a page at 200 words a minute 
> >> is really liberating, and I say that as someone who is a pretty fast 
> >> typist.  But, I can't compete with Dragon.  Furthermore, there is 
> >> never a mis-spelled word with Dragon.
> >> Yes, there are wrong words, but not mis-spelled ones.  Even this 
> >> wrong word phenomena goes away once one learns how to tell Dragon 
> >> what you meant.
> >>
> >> So, are there some scripts out there that I just can't find?
> >> Or, are there
> >> some reasons that I'm not considering as to why scripts haven't been 
> >> developed?
> >> Mike Bullis
> >> Baltimore Maryland
> >>
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