[jaws-uk] Re: jfw 6.00 and 7.00
- From: Chipmunks <chipmunks@xxxxxxx>
- To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:10:03 +0200
Take this thought a step further. Why don't FS and GW Micro with
older versions of their respective products that do not support
current versions of windows either make them available as abandonware
or sell them for a nominal fee only?After all, Henter Joyce did that
with JAWS for DOS by the beginning of 1999. An old box running win 9x
can still be quite usable with something like jaws 3.7 or win eyes 4.1.
If a machine is not too old, it might be worth trying to put win 2k
on it. Win 2k is pretty much the same kernel as xp but is much less
of a resource hog and both Thunder and nvda do run on 2k. For
example, a 500 mhz machine with something like 192 megs of ram will
run 2k quite nicely. I have not tried this but would expect nvda with
its inbuilt espeak could run on this fairly smoothly.
Cheers,
Doris
At 09:16 AM 5/17/2007 +0100, you wrote:
>Consider the scenario though, George, where a blind person on a tight budget
>has been given an old pc from a friend with Win98 on it.
>
>The free screen readers out there don't support anything that old and they
>would have to be able to afford the latest version of Jaws in order to have
>speech on their old pc.
>
>Win98 doesn't stop working just because it is no longer supported, it just
>won't be improved any further. I don't understand why Jaws 7 can't be
>treated in the same manner and sold more cheaply with the same sort of
>restricted use which FS impose on the standard version of Jaws in respect of
>xp home and pro.
>
>This might have a profound effect on the number of blind people empowered to
>use a computer.
>
>I think that your point would be more valid if Jaws was sold as a one size
>fits all product like some other screen readers.
>
>Regards,
>
>Phil Medway
>
>philmedway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Tel: 01869 347639
>
>mobile: 07980 519990
>
>Skype: philmedway
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 PM
>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jfw 6.00 and 7.00
>
>
>If Freedom Scientific were to continue supporting Windows
>98, the price would be even higher. Backward compatibility
>is only possible so far, and now we have to support Vista in
>all its flavours, as well as Windows XP, as well as Windows
>2000, was well as Windows Millenium.
>
>Indeed it's pretty near impossible to buy Windows 98 now,
>although there is one solitary copy available on Amazon.
>
>George.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of MICHAEL
>PANNELL
>Sent: 16 May 2007 21:35
>To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jfw 6.00 and 7.00
>
>What an interesting thread this is, as only today I tried to
>install JAWS 8=20
>on my old laptop running Windows ME, it has JAWS 7 on it O K
>but version 8 -=20
>forget it!!!
>
>Does anyone think we should be allowed to use the latest
>accessible software=20
>on older machines? Or do we have to keep dipping in to our
>pockets to keep=20
>up with some "WIZ KID" at Freedom Scientific who thinks it's
>a good idea to=20
>grab us by the parts that hurt the most!
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Michael.
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:11 PM
>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jfw 6.00 and 7.00
>
>
>"What is the situation where someone wants to buy Jaws for
>Win98 where, I believe, the most recent version is Jaws
>7.0?"
>
>In general there is no problem if your Jaws license exceeds
>the operating
>system that you are running on or the Windows you have.
>However in the
>latter case you will need to make sure you only install the
>Jaws that is
>suitable for your Windows. In the case of Windows 98 that
>is going to be
>Jaws 7.0 and no higher. As regards the earlier point what I
>mean by that is
>that if you have a JAWS professional license, say from your
>work then there
>is no problem with installing that on Windows XP Home or
>Windows 98 which
>normally be covered under Jaws standard. The only thing to
>bear in mind is
>the cuttof in support for Windows 98.
>
>Scenario 1:
>You are a new user who has never brought Jaws. In this case
>you would be
>buying Jaws 8.0 standard which you are obviously entitled to
>use but if
>Windows 98/ME is your O/S what you will need to do is
>download Jaws 7.0 and
>install that first. You will then be able to use your
>authorisation CD from
>your version 8.0 pack and activate just the same as with
>Jaws 8.0. When you
>system finally gives up you get a new one with either
>Windows XP Home or
>VISTA Home Premium on it you will probably want to take
>advantage of Jaws
>8.0 and activate that on your new machine.
>
>Scenario 2:
>Jaws user 7.0 below on Windows 98/ME. The situation here I
>would say is
>less clear and depends what features you are after and how
>desperate you are
>to get at them. Personally my view would be that if you
>have a Jaws on a
>Windows 98 I would say there is less immediate benefit to
>upgrade until you
>went to Windows XP or VISTA on a new machine. The latter
>would be a
>mandatory upgrade whilst I think for XP it would still be a
>good idea to
>update. Assumig you decided to upgrade be aware of course
>that you would
>only be able to use Jaws 7.0 even though you may have paid
>for an upgrade to
>version 8.0 so I think the decision such as it would be
>should be based on
>the basis of the acquisition of a new machine/operating
>system in the near
>future with either XP Home or VISTA Home Premium.
>
>Taking the problem the other way around users should realise
>that whilst
>release as early as 4.02 and 4.5 may technically work on
>Windows XP because
>they originally supported it, this may not necessarily mean
>that that Jaws
>will go on some of the newer machines with current video
>adaptors. In very
>general terms Jaws 5.0 and beyond gives us some more wiggle
>room with
>allowing us to substitute video intercepts of later versions
>of Jaws which
>may work with a video card. However in very general terms
>software and your
>PC should be roughly contemporanious with eachother.
>
>If you are using Windows 98 with Jaws and are thinking of
>upgrading for some
>reason do some research or ask on the list or directly with
>support, don't
>just go ahead and upgrade one something like the O/S
>assuming that
>everything is going to be OK.
>
>Sorry for the length of post, it has turned from kill two
>birds with one
>stone to something of a mass turkey cull.
>
>Regards.
>
>Tristram Llewellyn
>Sight and Sound Technology
>Technical Support
>www.sightandsound.co.uk
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