[jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

Agree.  Sonar is functional, fast, efficient and so much more accessible than pro tools.
glen

On 23-Oct-2010 09:09, Darren H wrote:
 
lol.
 
Anyone who says you can't get professional results from Sonar is seriously narrow minded in my view.
 
It does what it says on the tin and much more.  And it does it damn well.
 
Cheers
Darren
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 22 October 2010 17:36
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

Do I take it that Sonar is too down market for you?

 

George.

 

From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 22 October 2010 14:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Tons of audio people are using Mac, but I wouldn’t like to post the kind of things said about such amateurs, by the techie guys I deal with lol. 

For myself I don’t know and don’t really have an opinion.  Well, the only opinion I have is that audio production is woefully inaccessible considering it’s an area VIPs could be excelling in.  My main concern is that my own working practices are compatible with the guys I have to share files with, etc.

I’m hoping for a day when someone can take me aside and tell me exactly what does work, easily, affordably and practically, for independent VI audioproduction.  I’m not holding my breath though :o)

Now, with apologies for o-t slant to this thread, I’m slipping back under my rock :o)

A

 

From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 22 October 2010 09:58
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Hi Amie.

 

Unless someone here has some actual data to show otherwise, I can see no evidence of JAWS losing its position of market leader any time soon.  This does not mean to say Others are not gaining more of a market share.  Despite all the good things it has going for it, no one is really seriously saying that apple is going to overtake Microsoft any time soon.  It’s a bit off topic but I am interested in what you say about people preferring the PC.  I always thought that in the field of creative media that everyone thought that apple was best in terms of the reliability of the operating system and functionality of software and products.  This is based on my perception not hard evidence. 

 

I am not saying that JAWS is the best product out there.  Others who have worked with both products up close particularly in the area of scripting etc. are in a better place than me to judge product quality.  What attracts me to the mac is that you can use it with the mac operating system and with windows as well with the ability to choose or by running windows in a virtual machine so you can alt tab between them.  Not sure if the keystroke is alt tab but who cares the keystroke you use is a minor detail!

 

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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 22 October 2010 08:39
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Hiya

The Question is always a live one.  I’m not sure.  Lots of audio people use ProTools these days but the really techie, high-end guys won’t shift from PCs.  I’m certainly not in the techie bracket myself, obviously, but I constantly work with people who are.

Very open to suggestion and persuasion on this, although my current kit isn’t due for the boneyard yet a while.  Certainly thinking about IPhone next handset around, and like the potential usability of Mack.  Very unsure and confused about it all though.  The post on this thread, suggesting that JAWS’s days might be numbered has given me pause for thought, for sure.  IF JAWS stops being the market leader then major rethinks in order.  Then again, I’m another who would be thrilled to do without endless new versions, in exchange for something that does the job without routinely crashing itself or, worse, my computer.

Anyone else thinking of Macks speculatively?

Re- staffing of the suppliers, wasn’t meaning to open a big discussion.  I’ve knocked around small business with high turnovers quite a lot, and none of those have needed the staffing these guys seem to.  In my view a bit of a British trait is over-staffing because businesses think it looks good to have big teams of people, for which the customer has to pay.  I prefer lean and deadly efficient structures, where you can be sure your pennies are paying for product, not employee pensions.  Just a view.  Appreciate you’re straddling the fence on this though, and not meaning to rouse you from your torpor :o)

All good

Amie

P.S.  Let’s speak soon.  Has been too long.

 

 

From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 21 October 2010 22:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

They do sell a lot more at sight and sound than just jaws and they also sell for more than blind people too.  They deal with software and hardware for people with dyslexia, hearing loops and stuff.  I don’t know how many staff work there exactly  though.  All people sell JAWS for the same price in the uk anyway and there’s no doubt that it is on the expensive side however.

 

Given the kind of work you are into though, have you thought about switching over to a mac at some point?  I know a lot are and the prospect is not entirely unappealing.  It just could be my next choice as you can set it up to let you boot into windows or the mac  OS which is useful.

 

Graham Page

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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 21 October 2010 14:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Hi Graham

Missed your post somehow.  I don’t know.  Have never spoken to the same person twice at Sight And Sound and Humanware has at least 3 girls in the sales department, answering the phone.  Basically they appear to be staffed like businesses serving a significant and demanding customer base, whereas the patter is that all the prices have to be so high because the market is so tiny.  IF it is so tiny why so many supply staff to service it?  I don’t know anything really about either IT or access tech’ beyond my reluctant user status, but I know a thing or two about business, and either their market is bigger than they say it is or they are human resource-heavy.

Hth

A

 

From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh
Sent: 21 October 2010 00:48
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

What about the difference in price for jaws between the U K and the U S how can that be justified  

 

From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:06 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Amie, how many do they employ?

 

Graham Page

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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 20 October 2010 15:18
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Graham, are you saying that it is alright to flagrantly over-charge customers if that’s what’s needed to keep the suppliers’ employees pensions and perks up to scratch?  Considering we’re always told how the prices are due to the small size of the market, these suppliers seem to employ a fierce lot of people.  Would you suggest a similar rationale to a mainstream supplier?

Certainly agree with you otherwise, though;no question.

A

 

From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 20 October 2010 12:44
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Amie, that’s not entirely fair.

 

Theese companies do have to develop products and they have to test them.  In order to do this people have to be paid a decent living wage.  If companies do not get support or grants then they do have to get the money to pay their costs from somewhere.  I actually think we need more companies to take the Apple approach where accessibility is built into products rather than requiring outside companies to have to make an inaccessible system work.  They should at least be forced to create an freely available way of gaining access to the operating system, office suite or whatever.

 

I certainly agree in principal that it is morally wrong and deeply unfair that as blind people we have to pay more to access things that other people get for free.  This is not asking for something for nothing, but the question is how to best make products accessible most effectively.  This is a good example of where legislation is needed in my view.  The free market means survival of the fittest.  Speech or Braille access is not widely needed. Blind people are therefore never going to be served by a totally free market.  For whatever reason, few companies choose to include accessibility into their products and the question is how can we force companies to include accessibility into what they make and I believe the answer probably  lies in law and appropriate regulation.

 

Regards

 

Graham

probabl

Graham Page

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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 20 October 2010 11:55
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Rip-off either way, just like all access tech’.  Cynical milking of blind cash cows...imho, only :o)

A

 

From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: 20 October 2010 11:26
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

Glass half full:
Professional is the normal cost and you can get a discount by using a home version of the windows OS.


On 20/10/2010 09:59, Amro Bilal wrote:

Yes, Jaws pro is a total rip off, and I feel it's more like, they sat me on a spike and I know it!

 

Lots of ifs, but, if you are going to use this MSDN AA for a limited period of time, and you have a spare computer which you can put a pro MS product on it, you could use Jaws in forty minute mode on that spare machine. Otherwise, I am afraid I can see a free spike next to me here or you can join Tiddy's barrel, which ever you prefer.

 

Sorry about the dry sense of humour this morning!

 

Cheers,

Amro

----- Original Message -----

From: Tiddy Ogg

Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:26 AM

Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing

 

I think we all agree that Jaws Professional is a rip-off, but they’ve got you over a barrel and know it.  If you want/need to use the MS professional products, you’re stuck with having to use Jaws professional, unless you can find some alternative screen reader… and this isn’t the place to discuss such things without getting your knuckles rapped for going off topic.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: 20 October 2010 08:12
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] jaws pricing

 

hi.

why is it going to cost me $708 to upgrade from the jaws stadnard to jaws pro plus sma.

which way should i go.

just that i am doing a online help desk course, and the msdn aa subscription i have subscribed to, apart from windows 2003 stadnard, all windows xp, vista and 7 are professional.

so i need jaws pro to use these software.

please advice, what i should do.

got till november 18 to place my order with quantum technology in sydney, australia.

marvin.

 

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