[jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 09:57:37 +0100
Hi Amie.
Unless someone here has some actual data to show otherwise, I can see no
evidence of JAWS losing its position of market leader any time soon. This
does not mean to say Others are not gaining more of a market share. Despite
all the good things it has going for it, no one is really seriously saying
that apple is going to overtake Microsoft any time soon. It's a bit off
topic but I am interested in what you say about people preferring the PC. I
always thought that in the field of creative media that everyone thought
that apple was best in terms of the reliability of the operating system and
functionality of software and products. This is based on my perception not
hard evidence.
I am not saying that JAWS is the best product out there. Others who have
worked with both products up close particularly in the area of scripting
etc. are in a better place than me to judge product quality. What attracts
me to the mac is that you can use it with the mac operating system and with
windows as well with the ability to choose or by running windows in a
virtual machine so you can alt tab between them. Not sure if the keystroke
is alt tab but who cares the keystroke you use is a minor detail!
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 22 October 2010 08:39
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Hiya
The Question is always a live one. I'm not sure. Lots of audio people use
ProTools these days but the really techie, high-end guys won't shift from
PCs. I'm certainly not in the techie bracket myself, obviously, but I
constantly work with people who are.
Very open to suggestion and persuasion on this, although my current kit
isn't due for the boneyard yet a while. Certainly thinking about IPhone
next handset around, and like the potential usability of Mack. Very unsure
and confused about it all though. The post on this thread, suggesting that
JAWS's days might be numbered has given me pause for thought, for sure. IF
JAWS stops being the market leader then major rethinks in order. Then
again, I'm another who would be thrilled to do without endless new versions,
in exchange for something that does the job without routinely crashing
itself or, worse, my computer.
Anyone else thinking of Macks speculatively?
Re- staffing of the suppliers, wasn't meaning to open a big discussion.
I've knocked around small business with high turnovers quite a lot, and none
of those have needed the staffing these guys seem to. In my view a bit of a
British trait is over-staffing because businesses think it looks good to
have big teams of people, for which the customer has to pay. I prefer lean
and deadly efficient structures, where you can be sure your pennies are
paying for product, not employee pensions. Just a view. Appreciate you're
straddling the fence on this though, and not meaning to rouse you from your
torpor :o)
All good
Amie
P.S. Let's speak soon. Has been too long.
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 21 October 2010 22:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
They do sell a lot more at sight and sound than just jaws and they also sell
for more than blind people too. They deal with software and hardware for
people with dyslexia, hearing loops and stuff. I don't know how many staff
work there exactly though. All people sell JAWS for the same price in the
uk anyway and there's no doubt that it is on the expensive side however.
Given the kind of work you are into though, have you thought about switching
over to a mac at some point? I know a lot are and the prospect is not
entirely unappealing. It just could be my next choice as you can set it up
to let you boot into windows or the mac OS which is useful.
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 21 October 2010 14:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Hi Graham
Missed your post somehow. I don't know. Have never spoken to the same
person twice at Sight And Sound and Humanware has at least 3 girls in the
sales department, answering the phone. Basically they appear to be staffed
like businesses serving a significant and demanding customer base, whereas
the patter is that all the prices have to be so high because the market is
so tiny. IF it is so tiny why so many supply staff to service it? I don't
know anything really about either IT or access tech' beyond my reluctant
user status, but I know a thing or two about business, and either their
market is bigger than they say it is or they are human resource-heavy.
Hth
A
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Hugh
Sent: 21 October 2010 00:48
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
What about the difference in price for jaws between the U K and the U S how
can that be justified
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:06 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Amie, how many do they employ?
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 20 October 2010 15:18
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Graham, are you saying that it is alright to flagrantly over-charge
customers if that's what's needed to keep the suppliers' employees pensions
and perks up to scratch? Considering we're always told how the prices are
due to the small size of the market, these suppliers seem to employ a fierce
lot of people. Would you suggest a similar rationale to a mainstream
supplier?
Certainly agree with you otherwise, though;no question.
A
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 20 October 2010 12:44
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Amie, that's not entirely fair.
Theese companies do have to develop products and they have to test them. In
order to do this people have to be paid a decent living wage. If companies
do not get support or grants then they do have to get the money to pay their
costs from somewhere. I actually think we need more companies to take the
Apple approach where accessibility is built into products rather than
requiring outside companies to have to make an inaccessible system work.
They should at least be forced to create an freely available way of gaining
access to the operating system, office suite or whatever.
I certainly agree in principal that it is morally wrong and deeply unfair
that as blind people we have to pay more to access things that other people
get for free. This is not asking for something for nothing, but the
question is how to best make products accessible most effectively. This is
a good example of where legislation is needed in my view. The free market
means survival of the fittest. Speech or Braille access is not widely
needed. Blind people are therefore never going to be served by a totally
free market. For whatever reason, few companies choose to include
accessibility into their products and the question is how can we force
companies to include accessibility into what they make and I believe the
answer probably lies in law and appropriate regulation.
Regards
Graham
probabl
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 20 October 2010 11:55
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Rip-off either way, just like all access tech'. Cynical milking of blind
cash cows...imho, only :o)
A
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: 20 October 2010 11:26
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Glass half full:
Professional is the normal cost and you can get a discount by using a home
version of the windows OS.
On 20/10/2010 09:59, Amro Bilal wrote:
Yes, Jaws pro is a total rip off, and I feel it's more like, they sat me on
a spike and I know it!
Lots of ifs, but, if you are going to use this MSDN AA for a limited period
of time, and you have a spare computer which you can put a pro MS product on
it, you could use Jaws in forty minute mode on that spare machine.
Otherwise, I am afraid I can see a free spike next to me here or you can
join Tiddy's barrel, which ever you prefer.
Sorry about the dry sense of humour this morning!
Cheers,
Amro
----- Original Message -----
From: Tiddy Ogg <mailto:oggy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
I think we all agree that Jaws Professional is a rip-off, but they've got
you over a barrel and know it. If you want/need to use the MS professional
products, you're stuck with having to use Jaws professional, unless you can
find some alternative screen reader. and this isn't the place to discuss
such things without getting your knuckles rapped for going off topic.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: 20 October 2010 08:12
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] jaws pricing
hi.
why is it going to cost me $708 to upgrade from the jaws stadnard to jaws
pro plus sma.
which way should i go.
just that i am doing a online help desk course, and the msdn aa subscription
i have subscribed to, apart from windows 2003 stadnard, all windows xp,
vista and 7 are professional.
so i need jaws pro to use these software.
please advice, what i should do.
got till november 18 to place my order with quantum technology in sydney,
australia.
marvin.
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