[jaws-uk] Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express

  • From: "shirley clow" <shirley.clow@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:51:57 +0100

Belinda,
If once WLM is installed and all the folders from Outlook express have transferred across, does that mean that e-mails will go into both Outlook express and WLM at the same time?... 

Thanks,

Shirley.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Belinda P" <bcpfizz@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express



Shirley,
No Outlook Express does not disappear, you can still chose to use it instead of WLM once you've installed WLM. But even so I'd be careful installing WLM as firstly it takes a really long time to download and install. Then it immediately downloads all the accounts and messages from Outlook Express without asking and doesn't tell you what it's doing. Alt + tab doesn't take you to the progress screen, don't know why. If anyone knows a way of installing WLM without downloading all the accounts and emails that would be really useful. 
Belinda
----- Original Message ----- From: "shirley clow" <shirley.clow@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:15 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express



Hello Orhan,
Am I right in thinking, if one downloads this new software from Microsoft, Outlook express automatically disappears?...
I personally have several other e-mail addresses that are from NTL and also my own company domain names. However, I do have a Hotmail address which I sometimes use through Outlook Express. 

Many thanks,

Shirley.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express
Hi you have arrived in my Inbox is that Ok? I do have something useful to send to you but as it is an attachment do not want to lumber the list Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "orhan deniz" <orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Windows Live Mail over taking outlook express



Evening folks,
Recently there have been some postings to various blind technology lists about the Misconceptions about Windows Live mail. From what I understand, Live mail will only effect those using hotmail. This is because, people on Hotmail use the HTTP way of accessing E-mail. Microsoft, use a different protocol for Hotmail users to access their e-mail. For this reason, they have to switch to windows Live mail. Frankly, this was coming. New outlook 
express users could not use hotmail anymore with out paying for it, and
Microsoft was slowly dropping the ball on outlook express. For those who use hotmail, you could use something that would use a pop3 or imap server. This 
includes but is not limited to, gmail and other free e-mail services.

Now, Let me try and clear out some misconceptions in the blindness
community.
Firstly, windows Live mail is navigable with jaws, and probably window-eyes. You can certainly use it, there some focus issues but apart from that, it is usable. Jaws9, does, indeed, have built-in scripts for WL mail. While not perfect, they are functionable. a person can use most of the keystrokes to accomplish what they need to in WLM mail. Composition of messages is pretty 
straight forward, except for turning off the PC cursor.
oh, BTW, you don't have indication of weather a message is read or unread. 


Now, my opinion.
Yes, windows Live mail is usable to a certain degree with jaws 9 and maybe other screen readers, but I don't think it is perfect as well. I think we should make the gradual move to it, and Notify screen reader vendors that this will be a key program in the future. outlook express is not! and I 
mean not!!!  just gonna die now,and as you have seen, it only effects
hotmail users. Plus, there are alternatives, for those Hotmail users.
I would recommend that Hotmail users try out windows Live mail. Honestly, 
it's not that bad. Now, if you don't have jaws9 or what ever, there is
alternative e-mail services, clients etc. Don't!, Don't,! be afraid to 
try out new things.
For those people like me who don't use hotmail, but another e-mail service, stick with outlook express, imho... because there are still bugs in Windows 
Live Mail.

Kindest regards,
orhan.



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