[jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?

  • From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:00:46 +0000

Yes, one of the reasons for discarding the freedom box was I did find it a 
bit basic, and then they wanted £70 a year with no guarantee that you would 
have any update.  If I remember rightly there were also a few other 
stipulations set down on the regulations for using freedom box.  It is a 
good basic screenreader but doesn?t do enough to satisfy me.

Thanks for the address I will investigate and let you know what I think.



>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:59:03 -0000
>
>Susan,
>May I ask why you discarded Freedom box / System access?  If it was because
>it did not do enough then you might be better sticking with one of the main
>screen readers with loads of features.
>
>For information on Voice over have a look at.
>http://www.macvisionaries.com/
>
>This is not an official apple site.
>
>Nigel
>Does an apple a day keep Jaws away?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:28 AM
>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
>
>
> > Freedom Box is one of the free download demo's that I have already tried
> > and
> > discarded but the Mac voiceover sounds good do you have a web address 
>for
> > it?
> >
> >
> >>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
> >>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:21:24 -0000
> >>
> >>Susan et al,
> >>If I were investigating my options now I would look at system access.
> >>£270
> >>with upgrades free for the first year then £70 after that.
> >>
> >>www.freedombox.info
> >>
> >>Apparently this can do messenger email and web browsing.  Not sure what
> >>else.
> >>
> >>I would also investigate the Mac screen reader called Voice over of 
>which
> >>there will be a new one in the new year.  This comes built into the OS.
> >>Not
> >>sure how good this second one will be.  The first one was a good start 
>but
> >>needs more work.  This would also mean learning a new operating system.
> >>
> >>Nigel
> >>My opinions are my own.
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:33 AM
> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
> >>
> >>
> >> >I am one of those struggling to keep up with the updates to jaws but
> >> >have
> >> > been unsuccessful in finding an alternative screenreader that can go
> >> > everywhere and do things as quickly as Jaws, so if you come across a
> >> > screenreader that is able to do what Jaws does without all the 
>problems
> >>I
> >> > am
> >> > sure we would all like to know so we can all have it instead of
> >> > moarning
> >> > about the problems that Jaws is facing up to just to keep up with
> >> > Technology
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
> >> >>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:45:30 -0000
> >> >>
> >> >>I say they are a luxury item as a lot of blind people do not have 
>such
> >> >>software.
> >> >>
> >> >>Nigel
> >> >>Do you have a sports car?
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:14 PM
> >> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > They haven't been a luxury item. They are an expensive necessity.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Iain
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:42 PM
> >> >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Very well said Robin.
> >> >> > Only thing I would say is that screen readers have always been a
> >>luxury
> >> >> > item
> >> >> > for the blind.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nigel
> >> >> > There's something wrong there.
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Robin Clayden" <r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:26 PM
> >> >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] The great jaws 8 debate?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>I sometimes wonder if we've reached a watershed in jaws and what 
>it
> >> >> >> achieves in serving our needs. I mean, now we've just been
> >>introduced
> >> >>to
> >> >> >> IE7 and a suitably compatible version of Jaws, if you're O/S is 
>XP,
> >> >>then
> >> >> >> don't you think you have enough ammunition to sit tight for the
> >> >> >> next
> >> >> >> five years and maybe much more without spending any more cash on
> >>this
> >> >> >> product? This I accept will apply more to the domestic user 
>rather
> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> us poor pro's in employment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> By the time you reach the point where your system and jfw can't 
>do
> >>the
> >> >> >> job you need, then your computer system might need replacing, an
> >> >> >> alternative screen reader at a much lower price may be around the
> >> >>market
> >> >> >> place, and heck, maybe they'll speed up that research and cure us
> >>all
> >> >> >> who suffer from RP!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I totally agree that the enhancements in recent times, one could
> >> >> >> argue,
> >> >> >> don't justify the upgrade price, and they do tend to bring in 
>these
> >> >> >> upgrades at frequent intervals when perhaps they could be re
> >>scheduled
> >> >> >> to a longer period encompassing more of the new features in one
> >> >> >> upgrade
> >> >> >> instead of two.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But these techies at FS are constantly working to keep up with
> >> >> >> technology and I suppose they've got to earn a living, just a 
>pity
> >>it
> >> >> >> has to be sponsored by us, the drawback of a product that's
> >>specialist
> >> >> >> and has a limited market. I admit it's easy to be kind of casual
> >>about
> >> >> >> the product when I'm fortunate to have mine paid by my employer,
> >> >> >> but
> >>I
> >> >> >> do sympathise with the domestic users who have to shell out a lot
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> cash they can't afford and find it difficult to agree they're
> >>getting
> >> >> >> value for their money.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> All in all it's a fantastic tool for blind and visually impaired
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> but it's fast becoming a luxury item.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> J m o,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Kind regards,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Robin Clayden,
> >> >> >> Edinburgh College of Art,
> >> >> >> 74 Lauriston Place,
> >> >> >> EDINBURGH EH3 9DF.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> T: +44 0 131 221 6000
> >> >> >> E: r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> W: http://www.eca.ac.uk=20
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