Yes, one of the reasons for discarding the freedom box was I did find it a bit basic, and then they wanted £70 a year with no guarantee that you would have any update. If I remember rightly there were also a few other stipulations set down on the regulations for using freedom box. It is a good basic screenreader but doesn?t do enough to satisfy me. Thanks for the address I will investigate and let you know what I think. >From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? >Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:59:03 -0000 > >Susan, >May I ask why you discarded Freedom box / System access? If it was because >it did not do enough then you might be better sticking with one of the main >screen readers with loads of features. > >For information on Voice over have a look at. >http://www.macvisionaries.com/ > >This is not an official apple site. > >Nigel >Does an apple a day keep Jaws away? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:28 AM >Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > > > > Freedom Box is one of the free download demo's that I have already tried > > and > > discarded but the Mac voiceover sounds good do you have a web address >for > > it? > > > > > >>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:21:24 -0000 > >> > >>Susan et al, > >>If I were investigating my options now I would look at system access. > >>£270 > >>with upgrades free for the first year then £70 after that. > >> > >>www.freedombox.info > >> > >>Apparently this can do messenger email and web browsing. Not sure what > >>else. > >> > >>I would also investigate the Mac screen reader called Voice over of >which > >>there will be a new one in the new year. This comes built into the OS. > >>Not > >>sure how good this second one will be. The first one was a good start >but > >>needs more work. This would also mean learning a new operating system. > >> > >>Nigel > >>My opinions are my own. > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:33 AM > >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >> > >> > >> >I am one of those struggling to keep up with the updates to jaws but > >> >have > >> > been unsuccessful in finding an alternative screenreader that can go > >> > everywhere and do things as quickly as Jaws, so if you come across a > >> > screenreader that is able to do what Jaws does without all the >problems > >>I > >> > am > >> > sure we would all like to know so we can all have it instead of > >> > moarning > >> > about the problems that Jaws is facing up to just to keep up with > >> > Technology > >> > > >> > > >> >>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >> >>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:45:30 -0000 > >> >> > >> >>I say they are a luxury item as a lot of blind people do not have >such > >> >>software. > >> >> > >> >>Nigel > >> >>Do you have a sports car? > >> >>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:14 PM > >> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > They haven't been a luxury item. They are an expensive necessity. > >> >> > > >> >> > Iain > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:42 PM > >> >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Very well said Robin. > >> >> > Only thing I would say is that screen readers have always been a > >>luxury > >> >> > item > >> >> > for the blind. > >> >> > > >> >> > Nigel > >> >> > There's something wrong there. > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Robin Clayden" <r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx> > >> >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:26 PM > >> >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] The great jaws 8 debate? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >>I sometimes wonder if we've reached a watershed in jaws and what >it > >> >> >> achieves in serving our needs. I mean, now we've just been > >>introduced > >> >>to > >> >> >> IE7 and a suitably compatible version of Jaws, if you're O/S is >XP, > >> >>then > >> >> >> don't you think you have enough ammunition to sit tight for the > >> >> >> next > >> >> >> five years and maybe much more without spending any more cash on > >>this > >> >> >> product? This I accept will apply more to the domestic user >rather > >> >> >> than > >> >> >> us poor pro's in employment. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> By the time you reach the point where your system and jfw can't >do > >>the > >> >> >> job you need, then your computer system might need replacing, an > >> >> >> alternative screen reader at a much lower price may be around the > >> >>market > >> >> >> place, and heck, maybe they'll speed up that research and cure us > >>all > >> >> >> who suffer from RP! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I totally agree that the enhancements in recent times, one could > >> >> >> argue, > >> >> >> don't justify the upgrade price, and they do tend to bring in >these > >> >> >> upgrades at frequent intervals when perhaps they could be re > >>scheduled > >> >> >> to a longer period encompassing more of the new features in one > >> >> >> upgrade > >> >> >> instead of two. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> But these techies at FS are constantly working to keep up with > >> >> >> technology and I suppose they've got to earn a living, just a >pity > >>it > >> >> >> has to be sponsored by us, the drawback of a product that's > >>specialist > >> >> >> and has a limited market. 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