[jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?

Susan,
May I ask why you discarded Freedom box / System access?  If it was because 
it did not do enough then you might be better sticking with one of the main 
screen readers with loads of features.

For information on Voice over have a look at.
http://www.macvisionaries.com/

This is not an official apple site.

Nigel
Does an apple a day keep Jaws away?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?


> Freedom Box is one of the free download demo's that I have already tried 
> and
> discarded but the Mac voiceover sounds good do you have a web address for
> it?
>
>
>>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
>>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:21:24 -0000
>>
>>Susan et al,
>>If I were investigating my options now I would look at system access. 
>>£270
>>with upgrades free for the first year then £70 after that.
>>
>>www.freedombox.info
>>
>>Apparently this can do messenger email and web browsing.  Not sure what
>>else.
>>
>>I would also investigate the Mac screen reader called Voice over of which
>>there will be a new one in the new year.  This comes built into the OS.
>>Not
>>sure how good this second one will be.  The first one was a good start but
>>needs more work.  This would also mean learning a new operating system.
>>
>>Nigel
>>My opinions are my own.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "susan mcdonald" <susan_mcdonald52@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:33 AM
>>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
>>
>>
>> >I am one of those struggling to keep up with the updates to jaws but 
>> >have
>> > been unsuccessful in finding an alternative screenreader that can go
>> > everywhere and do things as quickly as Jaws, so if you come across a
>> > screenreader that is able to do what Jaws does without all the problems
>>I
>> > am
>> > sure we would all like to know so we can all have it instead of 
>> > moarning
>> > about the problems that Jaws is facing up to just to keep up with
>> > Technology
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>Reply-To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
>> >>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:45:30 -0000
>> >>
>> >>I say they are a luxury item as a lot of blind people do not have such
>> >>software.
>> >>
>> >>Nigel
>> >>Do you have a sports car?
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:14 PM
>> >>Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > They haven't been a luxury item. They are an expensive necessity.
>> >> >
>> >> > Iain
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:42 PM
>> >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: The great jaws 8 debate?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Very well said Robin.
>> >> > Only thing I would say is that screen readers have always been a
>>luxury
>> >> > item
>> >> > for the blind.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nigel
>> >> > There's something wrong there.
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Robin Clayden" <r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:26 PM
>> >> > Subject: [jaws-uk] The great jaws 8 debate?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>I sometimes wonder if we've reached a watershed in jaws and what it
>> >> >> achieves in serving our needs. I mean, now we've just been
>>introduced
>> >>to
>> >> >> IE7 and a suitably compatible version of Jaws, if you're O/S is XP,
>> >>then
>> >> >> don't you think you have enough ammunition to sit tight for the 
>> >> >> next
>> >> >> five years and maybe much more without spending any more cash on
>>this
>> >> >> product? This I accept will apply more to the domestic user rather
>> >> >> than
>> >> >> us poor pro's in employment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> By the time you reach the point where your system and jfw can't do
>>the
>> >> >> job you need, then your computer system might need replacing, an
>> >> >> alternative screen reader at a much lower price may be around the
>> >>market
>> >> >> place, and heck, maybe they'll speed up that research and cure us
>>all
>> >> >> who suffer from RP!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I totally agree that the enhancements in recent times, one could
>> >> >> argue,
>> >> >> don't justify the upgrade price, and they do tend to bring in these
>> >> >> upgrades at frequent intervals when perhaps they could be re
>>scheduled
>> >> >> to a longer period encompassing more of the new features in one
>> >> >> upgrade
>> >> >> instead of two.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But these techies at FS are constantly working to keep up with
>> >> >> technology and I suppose they've got to earn a living, just a pity
>>it
>> >> >> has to be sponsored by us, the drawback of a product that's
>>specialist
>> >> >> and has a limited market. I admit it's easy to be kind of casual
>>about
>> >> >> the product when I'm fortunate to have mine paid by my employer, 
>> >> >> but
>>I
>> >> >> do sympathise with the domestic users who have to shell out a lot 
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> cash they can't afford and find it difficult to agree they're
>>getting
>> >> >> value for their money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> All in all it's a fantastic tool for blind and visually impaired
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> but it's fast becoming a luxury item.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> J m o,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kind regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Robin Clayden,
>> >> >> Edinburgh College of Art,
>> >> >> 74 Lauriston Place,
>> >> >> EDINBURGH EH3 9DF.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> T: +44 0 131 221 6000
>> >> >> E: r.clayden@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> W: http://www.eca.ac.uk=20
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